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Re: [Mtgvenue] Issue #21: unfiltered should be mandatory (was: Re: issue #3: Too many mandatory)

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 18 April 2017 20:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Issue #21: unfiltered should be mandatory (was: Re: issue #3: Too many mandatory)
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> On Apr 18, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I agree that  "unfiltered and unmodified" may be difficult to assure when nation states may change their laws, but I think it is reasonable for us to require that this be unfiltered and unmodified *by the venue's own actions*.  

Good comment. That said, the one place I can think of where this was a real issue was at IETF 79; the host had to jump through some serious hoops to provide us with unfiltered access. In that case, I think that the host could have very reasonably said that the filtering was being done by a national firewall beyond their control. Would we have found that acceptable?

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