Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net> Fri, 17 October 2014 16:13 UTC

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:10:51 -0700
From: Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Thread-Topic: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?
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Hi Ted and Michael,

What this home network join/split topic with respect to ULA's is a draft
that targets becoming at least Informational.

I think several of these e-mails have hit on the problem, I don't see any
existing I-D's or RFCs that solve the problem.

Don


On 10/17/14 9:03 AM, "Ted Lemon" <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

>On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
>wrote:
>> I will go back and read James' message about joins and splits.
>> It seems that we have this problem with GUAs as well, and it seems that
>> the whole address selection issue exists without ULAs, as long as one
>>has
>> multiple ISPs.
>
>The issue with joins and splits is that you would like your numbering to
>survive a temporary network partition, but to not survive a permanent
>network partition.   I think this problem is solvable, and have some
>ideas about how to do it, which are half-baked and probably won't work
>without tweaking.
>
>E.g., when a homenet chooses a ULA, it could divide the /64s evenly
>between all of the participating homenet routers.   If there's a
>partition, the homenet routers get to keep the /64s they got to begin
>with, but if after some period of time (TBD) the partition hasn't healed,
>one of them (chosen back when the network wasn't partitioned) begins a
>transition to a new randomly-chosen ULA.   If new routers are added to a
>homenet, HNCP should be able to balance out the pool of free /64s so that
>every router has some to keep during a partition.
>
>If two homenets each with their own ULA are joined, one of the ULAs is
>deprecated with a long tail.   It would also be worth factoring
>power-cycling into this: if a homenet router that had a ULA is powered
>off, then powered back on, connected to a new homenet, its ULA is
>probably the one that should be deprecated.   This will still fail in the
>case that there are devices that are still using the prefix, but I think
>we're now down in the really unlikely scenarios that we don't have to
>solve.
>
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