Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

Gert Doering <> Wed, 15 October 2014 15:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 05:47:02PM +0200, Philip Homburg wrote:
> In your letter dated Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:58:43 +0200 you wrote:
> >Please understand that there are way more non-geeks out there that have
> >no interest in computers except "use them" than there are geeks who care
> >about IP addressing.  *Our* job is to make it work for *them*, without
> >forcing our world view on them ("they need to be able to put a static
> >IP address in DNS!" - no, my mom doesn't need to do that)
> Our current 'world view' is that companies get stable addresses. Consumers get
> crap.

Well, "we" are not calling it "crap", we call it "make it work and scale",
but otherwise, I agree that there is a difference between "large companies"
and "SOHO companies and end users" (the homenet approach works perfectly
well for a typical SOHO network - a few PCs, a printer, some file storage,
mail server hosted "as a service with filtering" elsewhere, etc.) - and
that's the numbers of each.

> We invent complicated stuff like dynamically turning ULA on and off that nobody
> else uses. We force renumbering in the name of privacy, etc.

Thing is, we invented DNS, so people do not have to rely on fixed addresses
in their /etc/hosts.  Then people invented mDNS so inside the home, nobody
would have to understand how to handle a DNS zone.

So you think DNS and mDNS should have never done either, because it paves 
the way down the hill?

Unless you can come up with a routing architecture that can handle stable
end users addresses (as in "whatever the customer does, wherever he moves
his ISP connection to, and how many ISPs he's going to have") for all
the end users out there, your world view is not actually very helpful.

DNS, mDNS, SIP register, and such stuff exist that nobody has to rely on 
IP addresses never changing, and that people can focus on useful labels
instead (like, "hostnames" or "telephone numbers", which in itself are
only useful because phone books exist to map a name to a number and
traditional phones could not call names).

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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