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Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work

Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Sat, 27 July 2019 13:33 UTC

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From: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 09:32:39 -0400
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Subject: Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 5:54 PM Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> Richard,
>
> > The only way you find the right person without a process is to pick
> someone you already know.
>
> Of course. That's exactly why the procedure for senior appointments starts
> with a search committee. That's how we got Heather, for example.


https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RSE-RFP-4August2017.pdf ?





> It's a completely different process than an RFP for a measurable job of
> work.
>
> Regards
>    Brian
>
> On 27-Jul-19 09:34, Richard Barnes wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:43 Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se <mailto:
> leifj@mnt.se>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 2019-07-26 14:30, Richard Barnes wrote:
> >     > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 00:05 Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se
> <mailto:leifj@mnt.se>
> >     > <mailto:leifj@mnt..se <mailto:leifj@mnt.se>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     > I completely agree.  This should be treated as a search, not
> >     >     writing an RFP and see who applies.
> >     >
> >     >     Thats absolutely right - people & community over process!
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > This seems ironic, given how focused this thread has been on
> process.
> >     > The process (RFP vs search) doesn’t matter — either way we need to
> get
> >     > the best person for the role.
> >     >
> >     > To put it in contrast to Klensin’s comment at the plenary — just
> because
> >     > someone is engaged as a contractor doesn’t make them a bag of
> nails.
> >
> >     Richard,
> >
> >     That is not what "people over process" means.
> >
> >     What I mean is this: you find the right person for the job and then
> you
> >     figure out how to get them into the position to do the job.
> >
> >     Maybe I should have said "people before process".
> >
> >             Cheers Leif
> >
> >
> > You say this as if the right person just appears out of thin air.
> There’s always a process to find the right person, whether that’s posting a
> job description and collecting CVs or posting an RFP and collecting RFP
> responses.
> >
> > The only way you find the right person without a process is to pick
> someone you already know.  It would be irresponsible of this community to
> limit ourselves in that way.
> >
> > —Richard
> >
> >
>
>

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