Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Mon, 22 July 2019 23:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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From: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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As far as I know, the RSE search has never been principally (or at all) a financially based selection. The bids were evaluated based on the apparent likelihood of the person successfully performing the needed job. And if at all possible, doing more than we asked for. I don't know why anyone thinks that the RSE search was price based. The negotiation of salary is left to the IAD (ED) AFTER the selection. (In fact, it is because that negotiation needs to take place, and could fail, that there is latitude in the request from the IAB to the IAD / ED / IAOC / LLC.) Yours, Joel On 7/22/2019 6:57 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > First, big +1 to mentioning Joyce more often :-) > > Second, to the substance of Brian’s comments. My personal comments, only of course: > >> The RFC Series Editor has always been treated as a senior colleague, and part of our community leadership; never as a hired hand, because it isn't the sort of job that can easily be measured or priced. Obviously, as a practical matter, the RSE has to be paid for their time and expenses, but it really doesn't matter whether that's as an employee, an individual contractor, or via their existing employer. That's basically a clerical matter, once the right person has been identified. > > I fully agree! > > (With a small caveat of relevant RFCs being flexible enough to allow that. But RFCs can be changed.) > >> Obviously there will be a finite budget limit that the search committee will bear in mind. But we aren't trying to find the cheapest RSE; we're trying to find the best one. > > I agree with you. > >> I now think that the notion of a pre-defined statement of work and a competitive bidding process is *completely* inappropriate. What we should do, IMHO, is identify the right person by a search process with a well-informed search committee, and then leave IETF LLC to figure out any necessary employment or contractual details later. > > I agree that a RSE is a very high level leader. But I’m not sure it directly follows that no statement of work or definition of role should exist. Usually when there’s a role to be filled somewhere in the world, even for a high level leader, there is some definition of what’s the scope and the expectations. But perhaps you meant to have an argument that the current RFC and/or SOW are far too focused on details and should emphasise the leadership aspect and not the details. And should clearly leave room for the selected leader to drive into a direction that she or he will eventually find the best direction. I’d be much easier convinced of that. > > I have a similar reservation about appropriateness of “competitive bidding process”. I fully agree that making a search primarily a competition (and particularly, a finance-based competition) for any leadership position is a bad idea. But whether you’re looking for a CEO, Area Director, or the RSE there’s at least some possibility of alternative choices. If competition is the only thing in the search team’s mind, that would be bad. But they need to be aware of the potential out there when they are doing a search. > > Jari > >
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- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Salz, Rich
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Sarah Banks
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Sarah Banks
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Adam Roach
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Salz, Rich
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Sarah Banks
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work heather flanagan
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Paul Hoffman
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Nico Williams
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work S Moonesamy
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John Levine
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Nico Williams
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Nevil Brownlee
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Bob Hinden
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Salz, Rich
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael Richardson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work S Moonesamy
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Jari Arkko
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Sarah Banks
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Sarah Banks
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… S Moonesamy
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John Wroclawski
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Bob Hinden
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Livingood, Jason
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Stephen Farrell
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Ole Jacobsen
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Livingood, Jason
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Wes Hardaker
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael Richardson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael Richardson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Stephen Farrell
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Alissa Cooper
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Alissa Cooper
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Randy Bush
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Benjamin Kaduk
- Supervision under previous admin relationships (w… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Michael StJohns
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Stephen Farrell
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Alissa Cooper
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Benjamin Kaduk