Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work
Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> Sat, 27 July 2019 23:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work
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On 7/27/2019 3:38 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote: > On 7/25/19, 3:52 PM, "ietf on behalf of John Wroclawski" <ietf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jtw@isi.edu> wrote: >> The basic gestalt of a search committee process is to find the best person in the world for a job, whether or not that person would have otherwise applied, or even whether they had any idea beforehand that the job existed and they’d be good at it. >> The basic mindset of an RFP process is to pick the best person that applies. >> I think the IETF wants option one. > > [JL] If this is the case, I wonder if it much matters to the community whether the role is an employee (full or part time) or a contractor (full or part time)? Or whether that might be left open-ended to depend upon the particulars of the country in which someone resides or their other commitments & preferences. IIRC, Sean Turner raised this question perhaps six months ago - which of course predated the current situation (so views may have changed). > > Jason > > Hi Jason - Let me run a few terms past you (we can quibble about each, but this seems to be the general set I've seen - there are variations within each): Employee, contract employee, employee with a contract, contractor/consultant. * Employee - generally at will employment, most positions within a company, can be told what to do, when to do it and how to do it generally by anyone above them in the food chain. Generally only has a single employer (at least for salaried employees). * Contract employee - an employee of an organization that is contracted by a second organization for work. AKA Body shop contractor (but there are other variations on this for more senior folk - something like outside counsel arrangements with law firms). * Employee with a contract - an employee, but with a contract that spells out conditions and modifications to the general labor practices of the company, may include bonus, and exceptional compensation items (e.g. golden parachutes); usually the way a number of the C staff in larger companies are hired. Employment is generally not at will, but there are mechanisms for termination that can be exercised by each party. Usual manager is either CEO or the board, or rarely another C staff. * Contractor/consultant. Has a contract for services to a given company, may do work for multiple entities. May be tasked by the company (generally a specific contract POC), *_but not told when or how to do it_*. May be an individual or a company. Includes both common services contractors (e.g. IT) and Subject matter expert consultants. Contracts may be very specific in deliverables, or much more open ended. May be duration or task based. The main problem I see with trying to do this role as an "employee", is that the LLC doesn't have a deep enough organization to handle an employee as senior and independent as the role needs to be. It's possible that the "employee with a contract" model might work, but given our experience with Heather and the fact that we were only utilizing about 50% or so of her time, it might be difficult to cover the additional 50% of an full time employee and keep them fully engaged and interested year after year. SME Consultant with a lot more constraints on who gets to give the RSE direction than we currently have seems to me to be a better choice than either of the employee variations. As I was writing the above, something struck me. Heather (and Jon, Bob and Joyce before her) is as senior and competent in her field as the various lawyers we've engaged to deal with the LLC, Trust etc over the years are in theirs. We wouldn't think it would be a good idea to micromanage the lawyers (and I'm sure they wouldn't tolerate it). I'm not quite sure why we thought it was a good idea to provide the level of "oversight" and management to such a senior level position, and that appears to have been part of the problem. Later, Mike
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- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Adam Roach
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Salz, Rich
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Sarah Banks
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work heather flanagan
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Paul Hoffman
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Nico Williams
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work S Moonesamy
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John Levine
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Nico Williams
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Nevil Brownlee
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Bob Hinden
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Salz, Rich
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael Richardson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work S Moonesamy
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Jari Arkko
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Sarah Banks
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… Sarah Banks
- Re: [Rsoc] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of W… S Moonesamy
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work John Wroclawski
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Bob Hinden
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Leif Johansson
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Richard Barnes
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Livingood, Jason
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Stephen Farrell
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Ole Jacobsen
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- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Keith Moore
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- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Joel M. Halpern
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- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Stephen Farrell
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Michael StJohns
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- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Alissa Cooper
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- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Michael StJohns
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Stephen Farrell
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Alissa Cooper
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Supervision under previous admin relationship… John C Klensin
- Re: RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work Benjamin Kaduk