Re: [79all] IETF Badge
Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com> Fri, 12 November 2010 04:19 UTC
Return-Path: <ole@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B673A692F for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:19:08 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -110.555
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mWg9jOTj9Qyv for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:19:07 -0800 (PST)
Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478B3A67B8 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:19:06 -0800 (PST)
Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApcFAHpP3EyrRN+K/2dsb2JhbACUUY17caNygj4NAZhNgwuCPwSEWoEqhAlL
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,186,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="618542369"
Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2010 04:19:38 +0000
Received: from pita.cisco.com (pita.cisco.com [171.71.177.199]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAC4Jc3n022889; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:19:38 GMT
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:19:05 -0800
From: Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com>
To: mstjohns@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [79all] IETF Badge
In-Reply-To: <1106719229.799545.1289526328086.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.63.1011112007060.12026@pita.cisco.com>
References: <1106719229.799545.1289526328086.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com>
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:19:09 -0000
Mike, (Why doesn't your email client display your name by the way?) I know you asked the question of Ray, but: Whether or not the security concerns or free-loader concerns are real or imaginary, I strongly believe that the local organizers did what they believed to be the norm, the culture and perhaps even some notion of a "requirement" here, and that this would not cause any problem for the IETF (which I would claim is largely true) The issue came to our attention earlier this week (Tuesday?, I think those carpets in the elevators that tell me what day it is are really useful, especially by now....) when it was raised by ONE person. Having multiple Milo Medins is obviously amusing, but I think we've sort of outgrown that by now (this is my 71st IETF by the way, you must be pushing 75 -- err, meetings). As for the apologist stuff, I think you're just hearing from us on the IAOC that none of us think this is a huge issue, and there seems to be a fair bit of support for that view, see Scott Bradner's note for example. Yes, let's move on. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, mstjohns@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Ray - > > When did the community decide that this was a prohibited thing? Or > that we were concerned enough with it to post security to make sure > the badge matched the person? > > I can think of several IETFs where the badge name did not match the > person including the Stanford IETF where there were a dozen or so > "Milo Medin"s. > > While I appreciate the hotel's and/or host's efforts on our behalf > to secure our belongings, I believe its for us to decide our > attendance policy - not them. And lest you wax poetic about paid > attendees, I will note that the badges were paid for. > > Here's what I'm hearing - > > The host/hotel/some other organization imposed conditions without > consulting the IAOC. We didn't have much choice. If that's the case > - assign the blame to the host/hotel and move on. We as a community > generally understand re-routing in the face of network/operations > issues. Especially, please avoid the apologist role for the > outside forces. > > > If the IAOC was consulted and approved this without passing it by > the community, stand up straight and take your lickings and stop > trying to pretend it's what we've always done. It's embarrassing. > > If there's a third case I missed please feel free to enlighten me. > > Mike >
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge mstjohns
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Samuel Weiler
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Peter Saint-Andre
- RE: [79all] IETF Badge Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Dave CROCKER
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Samuel Weiler
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Henk Uijterwaal
- RE: [79all] IETF Badge Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Dave CROCKER
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Dave CROCKER
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Eliot Lear
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Andrew Allen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Doug Ewell
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Martin Rex
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge SM
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Scott Brim
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Lawrence Conroy
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Dave CROCKER
- Badges and blue sheets Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ray Pelletier
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Andrew Allen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Badges and blue sheets JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Scott Brim
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- [79all] IETF Badge Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge James M. Polk
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Randall Gellens
- Re: Badges and blue sheets Tobias Gondrom
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [IAOC] [79all] IETF Badge Eric Burger
- Re: [IAOC] [79all] IETF Badge Eliot Lear
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Michael StJohns
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Xiangsong Cui
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Lou Berger
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Stephen Farrell
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Lawrence Conroy
- RE: [79all] IETF Badge Xiangsong Cui
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Lou Berger
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Lou Berger
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Lou Berger
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Bob Hinden
- Re: [79all] IETF Badge Patrik Faltstrom (pfaltstr)