Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-03.txt

Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Fri, 19 October 2018 21:55 UTC

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From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 08:55:11 +1100
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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-03.txt
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On Sat., 20 Oct. 2018, 7:38 am , <sthaug@nethelp.no> wrote:

> > Job,
> > On 2018-10-20 01:35, Job Snijders wrote:
> >> I think it would be good to have some running code before advancing
> this to
> >> IESG review and RFC publication.
> >
> > Why is this proposal special in that respect? This is not an IETF
> requirement
> > and despite the BCP advocating an Implementation Status section, very
> few drafts
> > do this.
> >
> > Note, I am all for some trial implementations, but why does *this* draft
> > need one when so many others don't?
>
> Whatever happened to "We believe in rough consensus and running code"?
>

It isn't "We require ..."




>          https://www.ietf.org/how/runningcode/
>
> That certainly *used* to be one of the big differences between the
> ISO/OSI standardization process and the Internet standardization
> process...
>
> Steinar Haug, AS2116
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