Re: Running code (Was: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-03.txt)

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 2018-11-01 04:47, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:12:08AM +0000, Simon Hobson wrote:
>>> Because the network operator has actively asserted that there aren't, by actively choosing to set this flag.
>>
>> I agree - that would be the case using the flag. But Albert (to whom the question was asked) asserts that heuristics such as "IPv6 appears to work and we have no active IPv4 connections" is sufficient to determine whether or not to enable IPv4.
> 
> I am asserting that routers can can assert whether there are 
> any IPv4 only hosts on the LAN and only when there are none,
> and if the router itself is also not configured to route IPv4
> would it automatically set the v6only flag.
> 
>>> We're getting into trying to prevent insanity territory with these sorts of corner cases. 
>>
>> I agree. Setting the flag where IPv4 is expected to continue working would be a configuration error - and one that the network admin can fix by unsetting the flag.
> 
> To me any new solution that requires more configuration is always
> a downer. Primarily, everthing new we do should be autoconfiguring,
> and only when sufficient analysis ha been done that this is not
> possible should we continue discussing manual config requirements.
> 
> I have not seen sufficient discussion concluding that this flag
> can not be autoconfigured by routers.

The router cannot perceive the *intention* of the network administrator.
(Not until NMRG and ANIMA have finally decide what "Intent" is, anyway. ;-)
 
>> Doing it by heuristics is prone to soft errors that would be hard to diagnose and harder to fix. But I don't seem to be getting through to Albert on this one.
> 
> Right. either we're able to specify explicit algorithms
> for things or we're just doing a half-baked job.

That isn't really in scope for this draft though. I think we probably have
far too much text in the draft already.

     Brian

> 
> Also i thought you have to say NN/DL/AI and not "heuristic" to
> get funding ;-)
> 
> Cheers
>    Toerless
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