Re: Running code (Was: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-03.txt)

[Job Snijders <[e-mail]>]

Dear Jordi,

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:08 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Then the vendors that have the power to implement everything they
> want, definitively win, only because they are able to implement it,
> not necessarily because it is good or bad, and the argument of the
> implementation will be a tool to reach consensus, even if it takes
> longer, more versions, etc. This is real life.

I wouldn't position yourself as 'powerless': you can fork any Linux or
BSD IP stacks yourself and make modifications - or you can hire people
to do so, or work with students. We are all vendors if we choose to be -
we all have this "power". And even if it takes longer, if drafts need to
go through more revisions - it usually is a sign the quality and
readability are increasing.

> Very good ideas that don't become standards because during the ID
> development don't get implemented (even if they will become
> implemented once they become RFCs), lose.

Can you point me to a protocol extension specification that was a
valuable publication, specifically as RFC, but does not have any
implementations? I see no harm for such drafts to wait for publication
until some implementation is done.

> I'm sure there have been already many IETF documents that have been in
> both situations. Market decides at the end. But that's the thing: at
> the end, most of the time only when there is an RFC.
>
> A couple of examples I can remember, IPv6 site local (it was an RFC)
> and draft-ietf-ipv6-dns-discovery, different process stages, both got
> implemented by many OS vendors and also Linux. No longer used.

No longer used? Consider proposing them to be deprecated! Pruning
specifications that turned out to be "not the best idea" is also an
important part of protocol maintenance.

> I'm sorry but it is discrimination.

I really don't see it, for more information on what discrimination means
to people please take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

I suspect you are using such strong words to make an appeal to emotion.

Kind regards,

Job