Re: you have running code ... I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-03.txt

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Wed, 31 October 2018 09:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: you have running code ... I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-03.txt
To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
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Le 30/10/2018 à 22:09, Bjoern A. Zeeb a écrit :
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> I also patched tcpdump to see the flag and I can share some 
> ifconfig/ndp output if it’s desirable.

ifconfig/ndp and tcpdump output would be great to see.

Also, a packet dump, would be great.

Please see attached my packet dump of RA IPv6-only flag generated with 
scapy on windows.  I guess there could be interoperability.

Alex
> 
> 
>> or whether the patch was complete/not-complete?
> 
> Software is never complete ;-)   As I said “implement a minimalistic
> set of this”.  That’s what it is. If I would add to this (and I am
> sure I will) it’ll be the following (in order): (a) RX filter based
> on interface flag so packets don’t make it up the stack at least
> anymore (b) a global (system-wide, not per-link) flag to allow an
> administrator to overrule the decision (for whatever reason) (c)
> allowing the system admin to set the interface specific IPV6_ONLY 
> flag in a sticky way manually without the RAs (hey I am fine with 
> v6only, don’t try v4 even if you could);   also great for apps people
> to test if they can’t get a full test network to play with. (d) deal
> with dhclient and do make ipv6 start before ipv4 as indicated in the
> draft.
> 
> 
> I could go and teach gazillions of user space applications about it 
> (dhclient probably one of the most nagging ones) to save local
> battery cycles as well, but then I could just compile a FreeBSD
> client without INET support (which we did in 2011) and be done with
> it.   I think what I am trying to say:  why waste time on software
> which is almost obsolete?
> 
> I’ve done an experiment years ago, running an “IPv6-only” kernel with
>  EAFNOSUPPORT coming back earlier in the stack rather than later.
> Also we have a library function in FreeBSD which indicates if the
> feature “inet” or “inet6” (and others) are present or compiled out.
> So it’s been there for apps people to test with for 7+ years.. =this
> is just yet another flag to care about.
> 
> 
>> What OS vendor will go next?
> 
> All hopefully :-)
> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Job
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:13 PM Bjoern A. Zeeb 
>> <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 23:09, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
>>>> Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the
>>>> IPv6 Maintenance WG of the IETF.
>>>> 
>>>> Title           : IPv6 Router Advertisement IPv6-Only Flag 
>>>> Authors         : Robert M. Hinden Brian Carpenter Filename
>>>> : draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag-03.txt Pages           : 12 
>>>> Date            : 2018-10-16
>>>> 
>>>> Abstract: This document specifies a Router Advertisement Flag
>>>> to indicate to hosts that the administrator has configured the
>>>> router to advertise that the link is IPv6-Only.  This document
>>>> updates RFC5175.
>>> 
>>> You have running code:
>>> 
>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2018-October/119360.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wish the discussions would be as short as the code changes that
>>> are needed to implement a minimalistic set of this.
>>> 
>>> Love and peace and no more IPv4 noise.
>>> 
>>> /bz
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