Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

[Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]>]

> I think it is fair to expect some evidence of contribution to the work
the group does

Well I am not so sure if this is "fair". But I am lucky that I am not the
one to decide that :)

Just so you are aware in other WGs say GROW or IDR we often see one timers
- say ISP, IXP operators who often voice support for an idea in spite of a
fact that they just do not have time for any IETF activities, but just hear
about such discussions on *NOGs or RIPE discussions.

I hope that you do not mean that it is ok to "support", but not ok to
indicate "no support" for any idea.

Thx,
Robert.


On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:45 PM Mark Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 19:26, Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> > HI Mark,
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> > So what is your recommendation ?
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> > What should make an individual eligible by your standards to express an
> opinion on adoption or last call of any proposal in 6man or any WG?
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> Since this is a group that does work ("working group"), I think it is
> fair to expect some evidence of contribution to the work the group
> does, such as active involvement in previous working group mailing
> list discussions, authored or co-authored Internet Drafts relevant to
> the working group's purpose, or mentions in working group relevant ID
> acknowledgement sections indicating off-line communication and
> contribution with the author(s) regarding the ID.
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> It doesn't seem fair to me that people who haven't contributed work to
> the group get a say in what work the group does or does not do.
>
> Regards,
> Mark.
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> > If someone is following SPRING and 6MAN just by reading list archives
> and he sees an adoption call - by your standards he can not one time voice
> his opinion ? Very interesting ...
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> > In fact 6man is open also for non subscribers making it very welcoming
> to anyone to send an email even without joining the WG list.
> >
> > Sure - in the past I personally experienced folks from a vendor
> subscribing and voting with an artificial name yet silly enough to use
> their company internal mailer domain - pretending he is an operator, but
> those would be rather ugly exceptions then a rule.
> >
> > Thx a lot,
> > R.
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> > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:48 AM Mark Smith <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
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> >> Do you think somebody who spent many hours of their own time preparing
> >> and presenting this at the AusNOG 2015 conference wants to discourage
> >> IETF participation, unless it is trying to influence group consensus
> >> via membership stacking and using ring-ins (Australian for non-genuine
> >> members)?
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> >> "Why you should read RFCs and Internet Drafts (and what you need to
> >> know to do so)"
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> https://www.ausnog.net/sites/default/files/ausnog-2015/presentations/1.4_Mark_Smith_AusNOG2015.pdf
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> >> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 01:08, Jared Mauch <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
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> >> > > On May 28, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Andrew Alston <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
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> >> > > Am questioning if we are seeing a growth in participation – or a
> blatant stacking of the floor with people who have never set foot on the
> lists and will never will again.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > (No hat)
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> >> > I’m concerned about how welcoming this might be to new participants
> who perhaps have a legitimate problem to be solved that they discover in
> the operations of a network.  This above text doesn’t reflect a welcoming
> environment, nor one where perhaps someone has something valuable to
> contribute in a single area of expertise of operations.
> >> >
> >> > I’m going to bookmark this thread for a reminder next time someone
> asks me about if the IETF is welcoming to newcomers.
> >> >
> >> > - Jared
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