Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 28 May 2020 20:39 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A3E3A0D73 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 May 2020 13:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HR0ou1ANQnaJ for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 28 May 2020 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pl1-x62f.google.com (mail-pl1-x62f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0969A3A0D72 for <6man@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 May 2020 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pl1-x62f.google.com with SMTP id i17so30568pli.13 for <6man@ietf.org>; Thu, 28 May 2020 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fuhfsENlGsNd5P5Iu+R/+R8UqimgeYwX6u+65kDj+aI=; b=g0Yg3Jjz2Fa4HoYA4hi2OGZMW+TdZG0JaDFjd6mTE4mb/PbeHMobVDH68PO5ls7wdj vGvOI7qNjEEAeCxxd115Ma/ZTevtZG1MlEK2urg0slmzb0ORn6Ygm2URsI/EVeEjrghn EtquNszomK+scT1/DG3pWawKJZuXMl+QmKlDIo/1mLHTCr4R70QtDLse5kcHENOjYhST YRD1uRjcNPZf0thsrN6RggcTGeYvo0TXgavFJiqeXvFxG8h2KLzQMIOQW9pVfkSrjSCC rZZtqB0bKFSo1HsoOBxCspBN73NQoI5bFwk8Xc2uAca70+eKeuOyOT+IwhXKBC+hQ3UD xLcw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fuhfsENlGsNd5P5Iu+R/+R8UqimgeYwX6u+65kDj+aI=; b=BwSuiOINTwAq8OllWHJTZKHobZqlwit8CctJCR2oL4Gtg2oDSzViP6Ytf4qG4bLygK vim4erJzP/t9tBQsE9v67EEcDAOtjuGRepzFdMsmApCi8gYaelwJz80CTW9n4+pLKFQ2 E3sid1O+/Rq9bNK9CXYCukpq3LUJDeizLFkjGVNmJDVTIBaNPPQ0EN74DZQAnkK0IYua YKbpknMEoMb8EnlCOfUb9rrv7aVV4l0D2PIb3IEdz40fJEH7jaZOd3wMmvVZ2BguNmtC agubQcpgwePd2heM8naF05IEtXmtdz9iRHskbNxB4/c8mdCiNsDxCeGEDqU0nps46Pw5 eNWw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531VyK1qsc5Hjqz4Kir9YbuSV5MGdNfu8GJ4RYqzgU9IM6gAJEp6 f97/UXtH9kjZFoK57YnBsQ3zpT9DDbI=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy4btqlCSnBqJh75qYdSVx7InEjlr3I3CnXXDG3e+wIozhArZnDRXsU5v/anp+m0Iu6CblD4w==
X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:f18f:: with SMTP id bv15mr5988478pjb.37.1590698391659; Thu, 28 May 2020 13:39:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([165.84.12.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm5385297pfb.130.2020.05.28.13.39.49 for <6man@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 May 2020 13:39:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?
To: 6MAN <6man@ietf.org>
References: <CAO42Z2xDygUXTGwVunGSTMkZGMF8VePrPaXLSAJg14vAJdca5A@mail.gmail.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44595462-bef1-c1e9-5aed-f7a296bcac9e@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:39:48 +1200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAO42Z2xDygUXTGwVunGSTMkZGMF8VePrPaXLSAJg14vAJdca5A@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/AsaSEsT_msjHRMpUgIUFHCYnUak>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 20:39:55 -0000

I have concluded two things.

1. Most people have completely failed to understand the meaning of "adoption" in the IETF WG context. I and at least one co-author will be submitting a draft about that to the gendispatch WG soon.

2. When I hear a choir singing, it is the same as hearing one voice.

My personal decision at this point is to delete all messages about CRH adoption unread, except for the message we will soon receive from the WG Chairs stating the rough consensus of the adoption call, which ends on 2020-05-29. I do feel sympathy for the Chairs who must read and evaluate everything.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 28-May-20 23:23, Mark Smith wrote:
> I've been an active participant in the ipng, 6man and v6ops IETF working groups since 2002. 
> 
> While I've only been to one IETF meeting in person since then (106, sponsored by the Internet Society), over that time I've come to recognise the names of many of the regular and active participants in these IPv6 working groups.
> 
> I do not recognise many of the names of people who are objecting to the 6man working group adopting the CRH draft.
> 
> Those who have been active 6man participants in recent years would know that even an ID adopted by 6man, written by Bob and Brian, that had a number of revisions, didn't survive WG last call, and that occurred while Bob was (as he still is) one of the 6man WG chairs.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Mark.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list
> ipv6@ietf.org
> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>