Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"
Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Thu, 28 May 2020 20:47 UTC
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From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 13:47:38 -0700
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Subject: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Cc: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, "Ran Pang(联通集团联通网络技术研究院本部)" <pangran@chinaunicom.cn>
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On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:23 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Tom, > I agree that "and ignored on receipt" in the definition of the Flags field makes the future use of the field more restrictive. But I believe that can be mitigated, as I've mentioned earlier, via control and/or management plane extensions. Not that we have not faced a similar situation before and dealt with the challenge in a reasonable way. Or just create a new routing type that is universally unambiguous, doesn't require external information just to understand the header format, and carries not risk of breaking backwards compatibility. Like Joel said, being compatible with SRH routing type for compressed SIDs isn't a requirement and I can think of any reason why it should be. A new routing type is also an opportunity to revisit all the fields in the header, for instance we can reevaluate whether Flags, Tags, and TLVs are really needed in a routing header. Tom > > Regards, > Greg > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:14 PM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Tom, >> > you've noted that "The format of SRH is very specific that SIDs are 128 bits". True, that is the view, the current view based on the definition of SRv6 and SRH in RFCs 8402 and 8754. But both may be updated at some point. Thus we can avoid the introduction of RH per SID length. Would you agree that it is a viable option? >> >> Greg, >> >> Unfortunately it's not an option. There is no field in SRH that could >> robustly be used as a code point to indicate an alternate header >> format or different length of SIDs. Neither is there any way to >> retroactively add that this since RFC8754 is already out the door and >> in deployment. This is analogous to someone wanting to create a >> compressed version of the IPv6 header to use 64-bits instead of 128 >> bit addresses-- there is no way to do that without getting a new IP >> version number. The difference in the analogy, is that the IP version >> number space is only4 bits, but the routing type space is 8 bits. So >> allocating new routing types for compressed SIDs really isn't much >> issue since there are plenty of values available (247 routing type >> values are unassigned whereas only 5 IP version numbers are >> unassigned). >> >> Tom >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > Greg >> > >> > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 11:33 AM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:22 AM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Several people, including at least one I-D, have asserted that there is >> >>> some abstract requirement for compatibility with SRvc6's SRH. There is >> >>> no such requirement. That is not a criterion the 6man group needs to >> >>> consider. In my personal opinion, it is not even a constraint on what >> >>> SPRING chooses to do. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joel, >> >> >> >> It's not even clear what compatibility with SRH means. The format of SRH is very specific that SIDs are 128 bits, and the protocol has no sufficient extensibility mechanism that allows that to change without breaking backwards compatibility. As far as I can tell, changing or compressing SIDs requires a new routing type regardless of the compression method or who specifies it. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Yours, >> >>> Joel >> >>> >> >>> On 5/28/2020 3:38 AM, Ran Pang(联通集团联通网络技术研究院本部) wrote: >> >>> > Hi WG, >> >>> > >> >>> > It seems like CRH is not compatible with SRv6 and SRH. We need to >> >>> > discuss how CRH cooperates with uSID, G-SRv6 or other SRv6 header >> >>> > compression solutions before adoption, or whether CRH will cause >> >>> > difficulties in the deployment of G-SRv6 and other solutions. At >> >>> > present, we tend to choose solutions compatible with SRH. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks, >> >>> > >> >>> > Ran >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > *From:* Bob Hinden <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com> >> >>> > *Date:* 2020-05-16 06:13 >> >>> > *To:* IPv6 List <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> >> >>> > *CC:* Bob Hinden <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com> >> >>> > *Subject:* Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)" >> >>> > This message starts a two-week 6MAN call on adopting: >> >>> > Title: The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH) >> >>> > Authors: R. Bonica, Y. Kamite, T. Niwa, A. Alston, L. Jalil >> >>> > File Name: draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr-21 >> >>> > Document date: 2020-05-14 >> >>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr >> >>> > as a working group item. Substantive comments regarding adopting >> >>> > this document should be directed to the mailing list. Editorial >> >>> > suggestions can be sent to the authors. >> >>> > Please note that this is an adoption call, it is not a w.g. last >> >>> > call for advancement, adoption means that it will become a w.g. >> >>> > draft. As the working group document, the w.g.. will decide how the >> >>> > document should change going forward. >> >>> > This adoption call will end on 29 May 2020. >> >>> > The chairs note there has been a lot of discussions on the list >> >>> > about this draft. After discussing with our area directors, we >> >>> > think it is appropriate to start a working group adoption call. 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- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xing Li
- Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Heade… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xing Li
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mark Smith
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Melchior Aelmans
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Nick Hilliard
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tony Przygienda
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Vishal Singh
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Michael Richardson
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Wen Lin
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- FW: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Naveen Kottapalli
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Parag Kaneriya
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Reply: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Ro… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- RE: Reply: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compac… Ron Bonica
- 答复: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Weiqiang Cheng
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Huzhibo
- G-SRv6 (was Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compa… Tom Herbert
- RE: G-SRv6 (was Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 C… Huzhibo
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… 刘毅松
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- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Srihari Sangli
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- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… stefano previdi
- Re: G-SRv6 (was Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 C… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ahmed Abdelsalam
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… stefano previdi
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mach Chen
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mach Chen
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mach Chen
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… xiechf@chinatelecom.cn
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Reji Thomas
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Robert Raszuk
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Antonio Cianfrani
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Robert Raszuk
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Srihari Sangli
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Martin Horneffer
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tetsuya Murakami
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kalyani Rajaraman
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Michael McBride
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ran Pang(联通集团联通网络技术研究 院本部)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Miya Kohno
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kentaro Ebisawa
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… licong@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Fernando Gont
- 答复: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… qinfengwei
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Satoru Matsushima
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Voyer, Daniel
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Miya Kohno
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kamran Raza (skraza)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Wang, Weibin (NSB - CN/Shanghai)
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- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routi… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routi… Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [spring] FW: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Comp… Dirk Steinberg
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- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Francois Clad (fclad)
- Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: Adopt… Tom Herbert
- Conclusion of the Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Com… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Zafar Ali (zali)
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Richard Vallee (rvallee)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kris Michielsen
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Robert Raszuk
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… John Scudder
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Nick Hilliard
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Adrian Farrel
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Jen Linkova
- Re: Conclusion of the Adoption Call for "The IPv6… Erik Kline
- Followup Conclusion of the Adoption Call for "The… Bob Hinden