RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"

Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Sun, 17 May 2020 00:04 UTC

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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>, "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"
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Greg,

The question may be moot. I don't foresee any CRH OAM work. PING and TRACEROUTE "just work".

                                                         Ron




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From: ipv6 <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Greg Mirsky
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 4:24 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>rg>; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"

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Hi Darren,
I'm confused by what I think is a suggestion that any work on OAM relevant to an IPv6 EH does not belong in 6man WG. If that is what you've suggested, then what about draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam, which is in WGLC, and Ali and I are working to resolve comments? Are you suggesting that we should stop the authors of that draft find a different WG to anchor or hold the BoF? I'm puzzled.

Regards,
Greg

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:00 AM Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc..ietf.org>> wrote:
Hi Bob and Ole.

I'm not supporting the draft for adoption by 6man. I know you're shocked ;).

I have one main concern with 6man adoption that I think many can agree with.

This draft will require substantial work related to the 16/32bit identifier (CP and OAM) that is not ipv6 nor ipv6 maintenance and for which this working group does not have a mandate nor, traditionally, expertise to drive.

Others have said "this is not 6man's concern" and I agree because 6man is an ipv6 maintenance WG, not the segment mapping working group.  I believe the authors should find a WG with that concern to drive this work. I know starting work without requirements is fun and exciting, but you will likely end up at the wrong destination.

Brian had one suggestion on this topic.

In the past I've suggested SPRING, or if the authors desire, a BOF to build consensus and gather requirements for its parent SRm6 work or some variant of it.

I hope the authors, WG, chairs and AD consider these points during this adoption call.

Thanks
  Darren


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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 6:14 PM
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Subject: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"

This message starts a two-week 6MAN call on adopting:

 Title:          The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)
 Authors:        R. Bonica, Y. Kamite, T. Niwa, A. Alston, L. Jalil
 File Name:      draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr-21
 Document date:  2020-05-14

 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!WxlH9jPuRZnF6DX0UIsFN2cS5t76jXU-Z3NMUNXACufRqrY7xBnnYVSulNkCsQgK$>

as a working group item. Substantive comments regarding adopting this document should be directed to the mailing list.  Editorial suggestions can be sent to the authors.

Please note that this is an adoption call, it is not a w.g. last call for advancement, adoption means that it will become a w.g. draft.  As the working group document, the w.g. will decide how the document should change going forward.

This adoption call will end on 29 May 2020.

The chairs note there has been a lot of discussions on the list about this draft.   After discussing with our area directors, we think it is appropriate to start a working group adoption call.  The authors have been active in resolving issues raised on the list.

Could those who are willing to work on this document, either as contributors, authors or reviewers please notify the list.   That gives us an indication of the energy level in the working group
to work on this.

Regards,
Bob and Ole
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