Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"
Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> Thu, 28 May 2020 20:23 UTC
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Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 13:23:38 -0700
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Subject: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"
To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Cc: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, "Ran Pang(联通集团联通网络技术研究院本部)" <pangran@chinaunicom.cn>
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Hi Tom, I agree that "and ignored on receipt" in the definition of the Flags field makes the future use of the field more restrictive. But I believe that can be mitigated, as I've mentioned earlier, via control and/or management plane extensions. Not that we have not faced a similar situation before and dealt with the challenge in a reasonable way. Regards, Greg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:14 PM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi Tom, > > you've noted that "The format of SRH is very specific that SIDs are 128 > bits". True, that is the view, the current view based on the definition of > SRv6 and SRH in RFCs 8402 and 8754. But both may be updated at some point. > Thus we can avoid the introduction of RH per SID length. Would you agree > that it is a viable option? > > Greg, > > Unfortunately it's not an option. There is no field in SRH that could > robustly be used as a code point to indicate an alternate header > format or different length of SIDs. Neither is there any way to > retroactively add that this since RFC8754 is already out the door and > in deployment. This is analogous to someone wanting to create a > compressed version of the IPv6 header to use 64-bits instead of 128 > bit addresses-- there is no way to do that without getting a new IP > version number. The difference in the analogy, is that the IP version > number space is only4 bits, but the routing type space is 8 bits. So > allocating new routing types for compressed SIDs really isn't much > issue since there are plenty of values available (247 routing type > values are unassigned whereas only 5 IP version numbers are > unassigned). > > Tom > > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 11:33 AM Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:22 AM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Several people, including at least one I-D, have asserted that there is > >>> some abstract requirement for compatibility with SRvc6's SRH. There is > >>> no such requirement. That is not a criterion the 6man group needs to > >>> consider. In my personal opinion, it is not even a constraint on what > >>> SPRING chooses to do. > >> > >> > >> Joel, > >> > >> It's not even clear what compatibility with SRH means. The format of > SRH is very specific that SIDs are 128 bits, and the protocol has no > sufficient extensibility mechanism that allows that to change without > breaking backwards compatibility. As far as I can tell, changing or > compressing SIDs requires a new routing type regardless of the compression > method or who specifies it. > >> > >> Tom > >> > >>> > >>> Yours, > >>> Joel > >>> > >>> On 5/28/2020 3:38 AM, Ran Pang(联通集团联通网络技术研究院本部) wrote: > >>> > Hi WG, > >>> > > >>> > It seems like CRH is not compatible with SRv6 and SRH. We need to > >>> > discuss how CRH cooperates with uSID, G-SRv6 or other SRv6 header > >>> > compression solutions before adoption, or whether CRH will cause > >>> > difficulties in the deployment of G-SRv6 and other solutions. At > >>> > present, we tend to choose solutions compatible with SRH. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Thanks, > >>> > > >>> > Ran > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > *From:* Bob Hinden <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com> > >>> > *Date:* 2020-05-16 06:13 > >>> > *To:* IPv6 List <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > >>> > *CC:* Bob Hinden <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com> > >>> > *Subject:* Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header > (CRH)" > >>> > This message starts a two-week 6MAN call on adopting: > >>> > Title: The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH) > >>> > Authors: R. Bonica, Y. Kamite, T. Niwa, A. Alston, L. > Jalil > >>> > File Name: draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr-21 > >>> > Document date: 2020-05-14 > >>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr > >>> > as a working group item. Substantive comments regarding adopting > >>> > this document should be directed to the mailing list. Editorial > >>> > suggestions can be sent to the authors. > >>> > Please note that this is an adoption call, it is not a w.g. last > >>> > call for advancement, adoption means that it will become a w.g. > >>> > draft. As the working group document, the w.g.. will decide how > the > >>> > document should change going forward. > >>> > This adoption call will end on 29 May 2020. > >>> > The chairs note there has been a lot of discussions on the list > >>> > about this draft. After discussing with our area directors, we > >>> > think it is appropriate to start a working group adoption call. > The > >>> > authors have been active in resolving issues raised on the list. > >>> > Could those who are willing to work on this document, either as > >>> > contributors, authors or reviewers please notify the list. 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- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xing Li
- Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Heade… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xing Li
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mark Smith
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Melchior Aelmans
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Nick Hilliard
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tony Przygienda
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Vishal Singh
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Michael Richardson
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Wen Lin
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- FW: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Naveen Kottapalli
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Andrew Alston
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Parag Kaneriya
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Reply: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Ro… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… John Scudder
- RE: Reply: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compac… Ron Bonica
- 答复: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Weiqiang Cheng
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Huzhibo
- G-SRv6 (was Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compa… Tom Herbert
- RE: G-SRv6 (was Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 C… Huzhibo
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… 刘毅松
- 回复: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routi… duzongpeng@foxmail.com
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Srihari Sangli
- 回复: 回复: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routi… Peng Liu
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… stefano previdi
- Re: G-SRv6 (was Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 C… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ahmed Abdelsalam
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… stefano previdi
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mach Chen
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mach Chen
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Mach Chen
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… xiechf@chinatelecom.cn
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Reji Thomas
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Robert Raszuk
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Antonio Cianfrani
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Robert Raszuk
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Srihari Sangli
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ron Bonica
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Martin Horneffer
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tetsuya Murakami
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kalyani Rajaraman
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Michael McBride
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ran Pang(联通集团联通网络技术研究 院本部)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Miya Kohno
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kentaro Ebisawa
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… licong@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Fernando Gont
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- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Satoru Matsushima
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Voyer, Daniel
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Miya Kohno
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kamran Raza (skraza)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Wang, Weibin (NSB - CN/Shanghai)
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- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Gyan Mishra
- RE: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routi… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routi… Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [spring] FW: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Comp… Dirk Steinberg
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- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Francois Clad (fclad)
- Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: Adopt… Tom Herbert
- Conclusion of the Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Com… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Zafar Ali (zali)
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Richard Vallee (rvallee)
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Kris Michielsen
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Robert Raszuk
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… John Scudder
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Nick Hilliard
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Adrian Farrel
- RE: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… James Guichard
- Re: Compatibility with SRH requirement (was Re: A… Tom Herbert
- Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing H… Jen Linkova
- Re: Conclusion of the Adoption Call for "The IPv6… Erik Kline
- Followup Conclusion of the Adoption Call for "The… Bob Hinden