IETF Logo Mail Archive

RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"

"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com> Fri, 22 May 2020 03:38 UTC

Return-Path: <ketant@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0BB3A0E44 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -9.597
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=fGVxRdSQ; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=CLBMblWs
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tzqlLEqRNe3P for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B0083A0E3D for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10210; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1590118702; x=1591328302; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=5Ek4JARyK4Rsf4cqMx5+/b8WHy1vId5UXkzYVilJ/4Q=; b=fGVxRdSQkqbqmu+VXa+fXPwIiigaFObP/v+1BI6BGranPXArZ6fnqYyA LcLhElrb5a+2WHnAHpqwn4VwQ+v3VPnx8RfYKJrfCkJ5xFzRDsjjiiBRq 6kFkoSr1cQWYqrYXuEOS9kpHc7R7i/vUWZX6Wp3sF6Yg6C6I+PWuy4ksv s=;
IronPort-PHdr: 9a23:396xpRymv2flfJ/XCy+N+z0EezQntrPoPwUc9psgjfdUf7+++4j5ZRWDt/pohV7NG47c7qEMh+nXtvXmXmoNqdaEvWsZeZNBHxkClY0NngMmDcLEbC+zLPPjYyEgWsgXUlhj8iK0NEFUHID1YFiB6nG35CQZTxP4Mwc9L+/pG4nU2sKw0e36+5DabwhSwjSnZrYnJxStpgKXvc4T0oY=
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0DLBQAASMde/4QNJK1mHAEBAQEBAQcBARIBAQQEAQGCB4ElLyMuB29YLywKhBqDRgONP4l5iVyEZoFCgRADVQsBAQEMAQEjCgIEAQGERAIXgXskOBMCAwEBCwEBBQEBAQIBBQRthVYMhXEBAQEBAxILBgoTAQEyBQELBAIBCBEBAwEBKwICAh8RFwYIAgQBDQUIEweDBYF+TQMuAQ6kNgKBOYhhdoEygwEBAQWFOw0Lgg4DBoE4gmOJXxqBQT+BEUOCTT6CHkkCgTABEgEjK4JnM4ItjkaCYQE8hiSKfY9WSgqCU4gpi1GEdYJiiHyQFYICkEmJbYJLkSQCBAIEBQIOAQEFgWkiZnBwFTuCNQEBMlAYDZBAg3KFFIVCdAI1AgYBBwEBAwl8ikABgQ8BAQ
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.73,420,1583193600"; d="scan'208,217";a="770495164"
Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 22 May 2020 03:38:21 +0000
Received: from XCH-ALN-004.cisco.com (xch-aln-004.cisco.com [173.36.7.14]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 04M3cLIv001329 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 May 2020 03:38:21 GMT
Received: from xhs-aln-003.cisco.com (173.37.135.120) by XCH-ALN-004.cisco.com (173.36.7.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Thu, 21 May 2020 22:38:21 -0500
Received: from xhs-rtp-001.cisco.com (64.101.210.228) by xhs-aln-003.cisco.com (173.37.135.120) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Thu, 21 May 2020 22:38:20 -0500
Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (64.101.32.56) by xhs-rtp-001.cisco.com (64.101.210.228) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 21 May 2020 23:38:19 -0400
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=dJ5gUAwYyXhj/hVuSw4AYigv3sTADu9warw9d4Fkpf5hkzVEWLfdE/9+abwM5LADxIGMgy1d4eRRiFYZZLfA2HJ4yuCNic5Foc1G3HNC4Nf7RyLPuzVCSYspcostKBuTLGjlK36lgjpJrBra07sDf5uq759w4PBjAdVNzWGZCKwNcfb+Q/Ku7Z/x82F8qwSRr+rvqskJ+8bK0LdQrXp00EfJ00AwTHgCRwta1Vg5Aw9o4p+aRdNptCbSR5TNYt0LflfIguqswH67X+jhQw78WQiibzRBZDR2wdmk3rZVU3jFEJUGahwxJpQkfA19Vhq483StD0Qk0BvW10+LkrN6oQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=5Ek4JARyK4Rsf4cqMx5+/b8WHy1vId5UXkzYVilJ/4Q=; b=nAhUdqcBI1Hh7dNbq/gXoHqYCfptt58XOy/TEje+af+1Ky/VssmY1NQrAXbgQKobLOTbij3egDtjOQdwByv+LQuqS/29X68zSOk04B/uuFCspcfQI6KIsG/GS2DC8u1+7nNmnGC7c6M26Iv7H1QFjAp/LTCpVp00zToWw5blmRrT83eoPskCeZqpYfZtDyCftwWB/V0R7SXosnjBOC2FjnSqeE34+fE+lBxpIr/K5nEWUneG+F3Fg7pZa4pIYxK7I01FvP9uXOjKTd6TgDfzanU20cntzqB7qsA3OfUIeDYglXmB3G6wkcENUKA39FqaeRS13m++gbvs03p/f1nxjA==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cisco.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=cisco.com; dkim=pass header.d=cisco.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-cisco-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=5Ek4JARyK4Rsf4cqMx5+/b8WHy1vId5UXkzYVilJ/4Q=; b=CLBMblWsspuP+34DyYbAsxnvknN40SUjDaVi03z2/2oEBJ59ns5KY4IJAM2uhsVxfTcvFZioCuxo07j954f9pIhLBFU0yRWEdEMo8T9EEJbpMejEfa9lDMfFw/EhGasKKbfHjB9MtzQZDzFEGk0ZGEBrX5D+NHrNq9o0jWwgcOY=
Received: from MW3PR11MB4570.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:303:5f::22) by MW3PR11MB4521.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:303:55::13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3021.23; Fri, 22 May 2020 03:38:18 +0000
Received: from MW3PR11MB4570.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::9552:d301:4b19:601c]) by MW3PR11MB4570.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::9552:d301:4b19:601c%5]) with mapi id 15.20.3021.020; Fri, 22 May 2020 03:38:18 +0000
From: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
CC: IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" <db3546@att.com>, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>, "martin.vigoureux@nokia.com" <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
Subject: RE: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"
Thread-Topic: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"
Thread-Index: AQHWKwY4liJdYnMUi0GCGHFn1Ke91aiygPMwgACIIoCAAGY0YIAACPkAgAAEl0A=
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 03:38:18 +0000
Message-ID: <MW3PR11MB45700984C200278B87FF4B7EC1B40@MW3PR11MB4570.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <19D30186-B180-4F65-BF00-7AD07CEF3925@gmail.com> <MW3PR11MB457033A9113B88BBD95CF39BC1B70@MW3PR11MB4570.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <0009E75A-3FA1-4C19-8BDE-E0D0EDD530DF@juniper.net> <MW3PR11MB4570DB10F84395039DC1687FC1B40@MW3PR11MB4570.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <879c8485-0b6a-2444-7cb3-3ae42a71af2c@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <879c8485-0b6a-2444-7cb3-3ae42a71af2c@gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: gmail.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;gmail.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=cisco.com;
x-originating-ip: [72.163.220.29]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: e022c384-367d-417d-d0ea-08d7fe0191ac
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MW3PR11MB4521:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <MW3PR11MB452194C49AEB5066149F7B54C1B40@MW3PR11MB4521.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8882;
x-forefront-prvs: 04111BAC64
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: gqkNovHN+YOsjWyNgETOHYPjAw9v62kTmDcAG90p//HR4cx8Vs4BWYJuEzrNcNo2dPWX+jfkXJDfPqK+OX4CEMLW2P0oZOAOpL9TjYj59pMSBlqLU2Jr3KmB5qLgeKnF9z+OrPJ+eK82HL4bLRQfa7L+VVW8RrabASeyPRChEAuqEveCprUJxw39P8kGsb3f+Rf89GaeO0nO7NwaxZcAagpEU9YDyj+STAKazobuE0FP9hLOp61KVxIgzqCHP+9t3vdKz24lvhqa1WprUVrJF048SbIy0whJs+SMJ4gk5pq+9u3hyhvLSQNotYVcMfrEL/GPrJ/QLU52zfVF5Y4wm42AwPfCFOv5GJq6+BhQ3mKlnxWo5+Ffl6JNaQsyLxHv2vYvjg4RGOhxp6HqHN+P4w==
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:MW3PR11MB4570.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:(4636009)(136003)(366004)(376002)(396003)(39860400002)(346002)(55016002)(52536014)(316002)(966005)(26005)(66556008)(66946007)(76116006)(186003)(54906003)(5660300002)(66476007)(53546011)(7696005)(66446008)(33656002)(110136005)(6506007)(478600001)(9686003)(64756008)(2906002)(8936002)(8676002)(71200400001)(86362001)(4326008)(9326002)(166002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MW3PR11MB45700984C200278B87FF4B7EC1B40MW3PR11MB4570namp_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e022c384-367d-417d-d0ea-08d7fe0191ac
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 May 2020 03:38:18.7046 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 4O2EqcWylS7UpO+nEh1LIxp5BV2gCSYgYqY1VsI04H85e02Y09uENJYN7Y4DPPMOdrYZE9K+/w/JwjopC3JIJA==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW3PR11MB4521
X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com
X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.14, xch-aln-004.cisco.com
X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-10.cisco.com
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/rHYxkgR4stpuWPAV5aKOc37YLX4>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 03:38:24 -0000

Hi Brian,



I am copying Routing ADs to get their perspective and pointing them to my original email objections to this adoption call https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/-ikF-zt_muGxz4exwjx0ZTWZpHY/



Please check inline.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Sent: 22 May 2020 08:45
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
Cc: IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Adoption Call for "The IPv6 Compact Routing Header (CRH)"



On 22-May-20 14:52, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote:

...

> */So why the rush and the shortcuts – why not the proper documentation before asking for WG adoption?/*



Because it's only WG adoption. There is no requirement for supporting documentation at this stage in the IETF process.



It's not long ago that I recall an AD saying to a WG that formal requirements and use case documents are usually a waste of time anyway.

[KT] I could agree if it is a standalone piece of work and something that is not a new solution/architecture that is going to result in several 10s of drafts/work in other WGs (this is not a guess – the authors have proposed a few such drafts already in routing area WGs that perhaps people in 6man are not aware of).



Maybe the IESG has changed its mind about that recently? But in any case, it's a Routing Area decision whether CRH is a good idea;

[KT] Agree. And has this question been asked of the Routing Area? If not, is it ok to adopt CRH work in 6man without their decision? If yes, what is their decision? And what were the documents/details that they referred to arrive at such a decision (I ask since the CRH draft seems short on details from a solution perspective to me).



Thanks,

Ketan



6MAN is not the place for that part of the discussion.



   Brian

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email