Re: [ipwave] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 - free access to 802.11-2016 document

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

Yes, it works.

I created an account for free and gave a postal address.  It's a fake 
address but in a specific non-US country.  I checked accepting cookies 
and other things, and unchecked some other boxes about ads I think.

Then the pdf downloads ok fully.

Still, I hesitate before saying "freely available".  I might say "freely 
available with some difficulty of access as of 2019".

Alex

Le 08/04/2019 à 17:56, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
> Hi Rob,
> Thank you for the logging with new personal account.
> 
> Was it a "IEEE Xplore Subscription for Individual Access (for Personal 
> Use Only)"?
> 
> (which button did you use to create an account?)
> 
> (also I am surprised you were asked for a physical address; when I tried 
> to register as Organisation they just asked for City, no more details 
> about address).
> 
> Alex
> 
> Le 08/04/2019 à 17:46, Rob Wilton (rwilton) a écrit :
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> I created and logged in using a new personal account (not from the 
>> Cisco corporate network).  I also needed to add a physical address, 
>> but after that I was able to download the pdf version of the standard 
>> to my phone at no charge.
>>
>> So, I believe that this document (IEEE 802.11-2016) is currently 
>> freely available.
>>
>> However, I'm not sure whether this particular version will still be 
>> freely available if a new version of the 802.11 standard is 
>> published.  I might be wrong, but I think that just that latest 
>> version that is at least 6 months old that is available at no charge, 
>> after that you need to pay (or get it via a personal/corporate IEEE 
>> membership) ... certainly that is what the website seems to indicate 
>> if I try and access an older revision of the IEEE 802.11 standard.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ietf <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
>>> Sent: 08 April 2019 16:31
>>> To: Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>; Carsten Bormann
>>> <[e-mail]>
>>> Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; 
>>> draft-
>>> [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>>> Subject: Re: Intdir early review of 
>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 -
>>> free or not free access to 802.11-2016 document
>>>
>>> a knowledgeable person tells in private we could share the document in a
>>> peer-to-peer manner.  I thank.
>>>
>>> but there is still no free access to the IEEE 802.11-2016 document, 
>>> so I keep
>>> "Description freely available" and I do not put "document freely 
>>> available".
>>>
>>> I will check back tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> Le 08/04/2019 à 16:35, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
>>>> Carsten,
>>>>
>>>> Le 08/04/2019 à 16:17, Carsten Bormann a écrit :
>>>>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:02, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>>>>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For all I know, IEEE documents are generally available for free 6
>>>>>> months after the publication.
>>>>>
>>>>> (This is true specifically for IEEE 802 documents through the get802
>>>>> program, and a few other places they have seen the light.  Generally,
>>>>> IEEE’s business model is still largely based on selling documents.)
>>>>
>>>> I can agree with the principle.
>>>>
>>>> In this particular case, is it too much that I ask you to please
>>>> download this 802.11-2016 document
>>>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995
>>>>
>>>> If you already have an account via an organisation, please remove it
>>>> from the Options of your browser (so it does not pre-fill the form
>>>> with some password) and try to follow the IEEE procedure to maybe make
>>>> a new one.
>>>>
>>>> If you access IEEE via an organisation's IP address (so your
>>>> organisation's name is seen at the top of the page) then try to access
>>>> it from home, or from smartphone.
>>>>
>>>> If you think the IEEE GET Program gives some additional access ("With
>>>> support from the IEEE-SA, industry sponsors, and government, a number
>>>> of IEEE standards are available for download at no cost.  This
>>>> program, entitled IEEE GET ProgramTM, grants public access to view
>>>> and/or download these current individual standards.) please go to its
>>>> URL and see that they list 802.11 but then it points to the same URL
>>>> as at the beginning of this email, so cant download.
>>>>
>>>> If it is too much to ask, sorry.
>>>>
>>>> (I already asked a co-author to do this - no answer; and another
>>>> knowledgeable person just now doubts in private the availability
>>>> statements).
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>