RE: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:" field
Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com> Wed, 04 October 2006 23:04 UTC
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The types and scopes grew out of Gary Simons and I analyzing the existing 639 set as we tried to sort out what was in/out of scope for 639-3 and how things in 639-1/-2 related to things in Ethnologue 14. Also, it was helpful for us in identifying which agency -- SIL or Linguist List -- was the primary source. It was clearly necessary to include scopes as they are used in normative ways, but we also thought it was useful to include the types as that seemed helpful for users in working out what the denotee is -- keep in mind that the only semantics provided by the standard itself are in these attributes: name, type, scope. Peter -----Original Message----- From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@ccil.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:33 AM To: Mark Davis Cc: ltru@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:" field Mark Davis scripsit: > Most people will be picking among living languages, and this > classification only separates out 8% of those. Making a list of 7K > languages 8% smaller is not the key to an effective UI ;-). I agree. However, eliminating non-living languages from a listing of languages indigenous to the U.S. (according to Ethnologue) reduces the list from 238 to 162, a 32% reduction. Using the Ethnologue "nearly extinct" category allows a further reduction to only 92 languages, a full 62% reduction. Unfortunately, 639-3 does not use this type. Peter C, could you enlighten us on what the language type information in 639-3 is intended for? -- Ambassador Trentino: I've said enough. I'm a man of few words. Rufus T. Firefly: I'm a man of one word: scram! --Duck Soup John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:" fie… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… McDonald, Ira
- RE: [Ltru] Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Kent Karlsson
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Marion Gunn
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… McDonald, Ira
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Type:"… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Proposal: include new "Language-Ty… Marion Gunn
- [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? (was: Proposal: include n… Frank Ellermann
- RE: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? (was: Proposal: inclu… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? (was: Proposal: inclu… Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? (was: Proposal: inclu… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? (was: Proposal: inclu… Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Is 639-3 bogus ? Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Is 639-3 bogus ? Peter Constable