Re: [rtcweb] Finishing up the Video Codec document, MTI (again, still, sorry)

David Singer <singer@apple.com> Thu, 04 December 2014 22:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Finishing up the Video Codec document, MTI (again, still, sorry)
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> On Dec 4, 2014, at 13:59 , Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:
> 
> 2014-12-03 19:33 GMT+01:00 David Singer <singer@apple.com>om>:
>> As I understand it, the recent face to face meeting decided to draft the requirement that WebRTC browsers be required to implement both VP8 and H.264, and get feedback on this, on the list.
>> 
>> This is some feedback.
> 
> I've been searching in both the rtcweb and public-webrtc mailing
> lists, and must say that it is VERY SAD that the only "contribution"
> and "feedback" received from Apple are these regarding "MTI codecs",
> nothing else.
> 
> I hope Apple has better things to do than sending FUD to working
> groups in which they have no interest.

I apologize for both the fact that you think this is FUD, and for the lack of other engagement.

Quite where you see the uncertainty and doubt in the “you MUST implement something which, it is stated, is subject to IPR which CANNOT be licensed”, I am less sure.  Fear, yes, I get that.

David Singer
Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.