Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface

Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com> Fri, 19 July 2013 14:52 UTC

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From: Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:34 -0700
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote:

> Can someone please email a full copy of the spreadsheet to the list so it
> is in the archives - thanks
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:
>
> > 2013/7/9 Stefan Håkansson LK <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com>:
> >> I want to be very clear and careful on what I say. So I am repeating:
> >>
> >> * My comment that I think Eric is right in that there is consensus on
> >> providing APIs that allow most use-cases to be met without SDP mangling
> >> is meant only in that context: SDP O/A is kept (and PeerConnection more
> >> or less as is and so on).
> >
> > Hi Stefan,
> >
> > You insist that "there is consensus on keeping SDP O/A but providing a
> > better API". Given current discussions IMHO it is clear there is not
> > such a consensus (not at all). Or may be you are just talking about
> > two years ago in some IETF meeting (if so I'm sorry).
> >
> > Please review the results in
> >
> https://docs.google.com/a/aliax.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuaKXw3SkHMSdHlZdV9RN0xSWFhybVl4anJLRkVPV0E#gid=1
> >
> >  Bad for advanced stuff: 94%
> >  OK for 1.0: 40%
> >
> > IMHO such a result indicates all but "let's keep SDP O/A and improve a
> > bit the API" (I mean now, in July 2013).
> >
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Iñaki Baz Castillo
> > <ibc@aliax.net>
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