Re: [rtcweb] On babies and bathwater (was Re: Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface)

Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Fri, 19 July 2013 17:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] On babies and bathwater (was Re: Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface)
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:

>
> These issues aren't hard because of SDP. These issues are hard because
> they're hard.
>
>
I agree that those issues are hard but with SDP they are harder. SDP
requires to create solutions that are backwards compatible within a very
restrictive framework. API allows solutions that are backwards compatible
if they are coded specific way. This is a huge difference.
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