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Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface

Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com> Wed, 03 July 2013 22:17 UTC

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From: Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:16:54 -0700
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:
>
>> So compatibility with SIP is important but compatibility with Jingle is
>> just impossible. And this is supposed to be the API proposed to W3C...
>>
> Who said anything about impossible? It's a mechanical transformation
> (see: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0167.html)
>
> Anyway, it's not like this feature is a surprise to anyone--well at
> least anyone who was paying attention--it's been a feature of the
> specification since before the WG was even formed. As I said
> earlier, it was in the original WHATWG spec that Ian Hickson
> wrote.
>
> -Ekr
>
>
There are lots of application developers who weren't around back then, so
it's not reasonable to expect them to have been paying attention back then.
 Many are very new to this, and there are lots of surprises for them.

And as many developers are now trying to use the WebRTC API, we're now
getting feedback on how well it works for them.  The point of my original
post in this thread was to summarize the feedback we've received so far for
the WG.

It wasn't my intention to re-start arguments between one camp and another.
  But your clarification of "Camp #0" was helpful, so thank for you for
that.

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