Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecting Recommended Audio Codecs
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecting Recommended Audio Codecs
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I also support Stephane's proposal. > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] > Im Auftrag von Shida Schubert > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Januar 2013 22:35 > An: Paul Coverdale > Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecting > Recommended Audio Codecs > > > +1 > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:56 AM, Paul Coverdale wrote: > > > I support Stephane's proposal for option 1. It makes good sense, > > particularly for the case where AMR and AMR-WB are already > implemented > > in mobile devices - there are no additional licensing issues and it > > simplifies interoperability. > > > > ...Paul > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On > >> Behalf Of stephane.proust@orange.com > >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:33 AM > >> To: Magnus Westerlund; rtcweb@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecting > >> Recommended Audio Codecs > >> > >> It is clear from the discussions on the rtcweb e-mail > reflector that > >> the only additional codecs to be considered are limited to the > >> following very small subset of 3 codecs: AMR, AMR-WB and G.722. > >> In addition to G.711, these 3 codecs cover almost all > legacy devices > >> dedicated to voice services. They are consequently needed and > >> sufficient to be supported by WebRTC to make it an attractive and > >> future proof technology for usage in all environments including > >> mobile and for interoperability use cases with most of all > legacy voice terminals. > >> > >> AMR and AMR-WB are indeed the most widely supported voice > codecs in > >> hundreds of millions of legacy mobile devices. > >> G.722 is royalty free (including a Packet Loss Concealment > solution > >> provided in ITU-T Software Tool Library) and is the codec > used for HD > >> Voice / DECT-Cat IQ fixed devices > >> > >> Furthermore, considering that the reason for excluding AMR > and AMR-WB > >> from WebRTC was the licensing issue, there is no reason to NOT > >> support AMR-WB and AMR at WebRTC level if these codecs are already > >> implemented on the device. > >> > >> Therefore I support option 1 and propose the following > specification > >> according this: > >> AMR-WB, AMR and G.722 are RECOMMENDED TO IMPLEMENT by WebRTC > >> end-points AMR and AMR-WB MUST BE supported at WebRTC > level by WebRTC > >> end-points on 3GPP mobile devices already implementing AMR > and AMR-WB > >> (*) > >> > >> (*) note that the way these codecs are supported at RTC > Web level is > >> left open to implementors: either by a WebRTC specific software > >> implementation of these codecs or by using APIs to access hardward > >> implementation. > >> > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] De la > >> part de Magnus Westerlund Envoyé : jeudi 20 décembre 2012 09:30 À : > >> rtcweb@ietf.org Objet : [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding > >> Selecting Recommended Audio Codecs > >> > >> WG, > >> > >> As an outcome of the Vancouver IETF meeting codec > discussions we did > >> promise to run a call for consensus regarding if the WG was > >> interested in specifying a small set of recommended audio > codecs. We > >> are sorry this has been delayed until now. > >> > >> The question for the call of consensus is between two options. > >> > >> 1) Run a process in the WG to select and specify a small set of > >> audio/speech codecs that would be RECOMMNEDED to implement by a > >> WebRTC end-points > >> > >> 2) Do nothing and let the already specified Mandatory to Implement > >> Audio codecs be the only audio codecs mentioned in the > WebRTC specification. > >> > >> Please indicate your position by January 16th 2013. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Magnus Westerlund > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > >> Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > >> SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> rtcweb mailing list > >> rtcweb@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________________ > >> ___ _________________________________________________ > >> > >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > >> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas > etre diffuses, > >> exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… James Rafferty
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- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Adam Roach
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- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Gunnar Hellström
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- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Ken Fischer
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Steve Sokol
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Koen Vos
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Rauschenbach, Uwe (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Paul Coverdale
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Paul Coverdale
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Shida Schubert
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… R.Jesske
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Bernard Aboba
- [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call for C… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Rauschenbach, Uwe (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Flynn, Gerry J
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Rauschenbach, Uwe (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Burger Eric
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roy, Radhika R CIV USARMY (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roy, Radhika R CIV USARMY (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Rauschenbach, Uwe (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Burger Eric
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Rauschenbach, Uwe (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Roy, Radhika R CIV USARMY (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Mark Rejhon
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- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Steve Sokol
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Steve Sokol
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Burger Eric
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Tim Panton
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- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Martin Thomson
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- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecti… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Consensus vs. Voting (was Re: Call f… Jean-Marc Valin