Re: [v6ops] Please review the No IPv4 draft

Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> Wed, 16 April 2014 16:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Please review the No IPv4 draft
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On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote:
> So unless you are saying that there was a process failure here, the issue is effectively settled.

BTW, this does _not_ mean that it can't be reopened.   It just means that the presumption is that it won't be.

There is actually a precedent for something like this in IETF history: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2563

RFC 2563 is not widely implemented (not at all implemented, actually, as far as I know).   I think this is actually the strongest argument against the current effort: if nobody implements it in any shipping stacks, what's the point?