Re: [v6ops] Please review the No IPv4 draft

Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Tue, 15 April 2014 16:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Please review the No IPv4 draft
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On Apr 15, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote:

> Le 2014-04-15 11:09, Owen DeLong a écrit :
>> I would support an RA flag that says “If you’re reading this message, don’t do IPv4 on this network”.
>> 
>> That’s not even close to what is proposed here.
> 
> Uh?
> 
> At the very least, it was our intent to propose that very thing. An IPv4
> kill switch.
> 
>> What is proposed here is a variety of IPv6 methods for telling a client to turn off it’s IPv4 dynamic configuration requests and there’s no reason to put that into IPv6 at all.
> 
> I'm sorry, I'm not following.
> 
> If your problem is with "variety of methods", then I can understand. We
> started with DHCPv6 only, then we added RA because people were asking
> for it. We expect one could be removed if it poses a problem.

IMHO, this should be reduced to a single bit in an RA if it is implemented in IPv6 at all.

Owen