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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 03 September 2024 18:55 UTC

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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: "Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)" <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
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Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable) <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com> wrote:
    > Instead of a warning about the plan to close the queue, some chairs say
    > without warning “this topic seems to be getting a lot of discussion;
    > the queue has been closed and you’ll have to take it to the list”.

    > A better practice is to announce, “the queue is going to stop accepting
    > new joiners in X minutes, so jump in now if you want to comment.”

A corollorary is that it's okay to end the meeting 68 minutes into your 90
minute slot, because you:
a) left enough spare time for discussion, but didn't use it all.
b) didn't overpack the agenda.

And it's okay to ask for a 90 minute slot next time.

(Again: I'd like us to schedule such that everyone gets a de-conflicted 60
minute slot early in the week, and one or two additional 60 minute slots
later in the week.  This allows the WG to come back to have longer discussions)

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
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