Re: [arch-d] ETSI launches new group on Non-IP Networking addressing 5G new services

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

Geoff,

I was talking about IETF IPv6 protagonists, not about people outside the IETF.

Regards
   Brian

On 17-Apr-20 09:52, Geoff Huston wrote:
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>> On 17 Apr 2020, at 7:17 am, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> On 17-Apr-20 05:48, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 02:56:30PM -0400, John C Klensin wrote:
>>>> It may also be worth noting that a, perhaps the, major add-on
>>>> change in IPv6 --much touted in its early days-- was supposed to
>>>> be ubiquitous lP-level encryption.
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>> Not touted by the IPv6 protagonists,
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> Evidently you never sat through a Latif Ladid presentation Brian! I heard
> many many many stories about how IPv6 and IPSEC was a revolutionary
> combination that was going to change the internet, yada yada yada.
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>> Yes, there was an intention
>> to make IPsec mandatory-to-implement, but there was never a claim from the
>> IETF that IPv6 with IPsec was intrinsically more secure than IPv4 with IPsec.
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> Gee, the rooms I was in at the time was full of such wondrous claims. I kinda
> wonder which room you were in at the time!
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> With 20/20 hindsight I’d say the host-centric perspective of IPSEC was comprehensively 
> flawed, as the subsequent move in the marketplace for protocols attests.
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> As for IPv6: extension headers. No more need be said.
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> Geoff
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