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"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Wed, 19 August 2020 18:37 UTC

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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:37:27 -0700
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] third party authorization, not, was non-mailing list
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:11 AM Kurt Andersen (b) <kboth@drkurt.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:34 AM Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote:
>
>> On Tue 18/Aug/2020 01:21:33 +0200 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>> > The industry in general, and the IETF in particular, have chosen not
>> > to pursue widespread use of any kind of standards-based third party
>> > domain signature policy or reputation system. . .
>>
>> > Both ATPS (individual submission, experimental, February 2012) and the
>> > REPUTE series of documents (working group, standards track, late 2013)
>> > saw nearly zero adoption after publication even when free reference
>> > implementations were provided.  They differ from basic DKIM in that
>> > they require non-trivial upkeep, and that appears to be a step
>> > function inhibiting adoption among operators.
>>
>> We can still try again.  In particular, the non-trivial upkeep seems
>> to be a valid diagnosis.
>>
>
> Is there anything which has materially changed between 2012-13 and 2020
> which would indicate that the anticipated results for such effort would be
> any different?
>

+1.  If anyone has some kind of creativity in this space that they've been
hiding, now's the time.

-MSK

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