Re: [dmarc-ietf] third party authorization, not, was non-mailing list

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 25 August 2020 16:22 UTC

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:22:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] third party authorization, not, was non-mailing list
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2020, Dotzero wrote:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levine-dkim-conditional-00?

> Under my concept, all mail would still be signed in full. The weak
> signature would be in addition to the full signature and the intermediary
> would be expected to sign in full as well. If the original full signature
> is broken you are left with the original "weak signature" which authorizes
> the intermediary and the full signature of the intermediary.

Take another look at my old draft.  Sounds like exactly the same plan.

> I would expect there to be multiple potential approaches to identifying
> acceptable intermediaries.

The harder part is to decide which intermediary gets to re-sign which 
message at the time you apply the weak signature.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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