Re: List moderator action

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

Eric,
On 29-Apr-26 06:29, Eric Heflin wrote:
> Actions like this are killing the IETF. 

I see no evidence that this is true. We've been moderating IETF lists for several decades, sometimes involving much more drastic actions than partial suspensions for short periods.

> We should have a simple policy that any legal language in emails posted by members is to be ignored and have no effect

Since we are not a court of law with international jurisdiction, any such policy would (as far as this non-lawyer can tell) be legally meaningless. If our counsel can suggest a way to do this that would work in every jurisdiction in the world, I would be all for it.

> ... and then remove censorship.

Preventing people from following our own rules is not "censorship".  The terms of the suspension explicitly allow the person concerned to continue posting to the list.

Regards/Ngā mihi
    Brian Carpenter

> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2026, 1:02 PM Chris Box <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>     Everyone,
> 
>     This message is to advise you that Daniel J Bernstein has been partially suspended from posting to [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> for a period of 30 days. This follows the posting of derivative rights claims [1] to the list in contravention of our previous request in [2]. The format of the notice is different to those used previously, but still seeks to apply the named restrictions "/may not be modified, and derivative works of it may not be //created, and it may not be published except as an Internet-Draft/" to his email contribution, via the sentence "/The same language hereby applies to this document./" Such restrictions are considered disruptive following [3].
> 
>     This suspension is implemented as a "hold for moderation". If Daniel posts a message to the list that doesn't contain the rights claim and is on topic, it should be allowed through. This may take up to two working days.
> 
>     Thanks,
>     Chris Box on behalf of the Moderators team for [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> 
>     [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/145uUy-1rJ9ca8SHUDEPqxnKQ4Q/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/145uUy-1rJ9ca8SHUDEPqxnKQ4Q/> is the most recent example.
>     [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/>
>     [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/>
> 
> 
>     On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 at 18:30, Chris Box <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>         Everyone,
> 
>         This message is to advise you that Daniel J Bernstein has been partially suspended from posting to [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> for a period of 30 days. This follows the posting of a derivative rights claim [1] to the list in contravention of our previous request in [2]. Such claims are considered disruptive following [3]. This suspension is implemented as a "hold for moderation". If Daniel posts a message to the list that doesn't contain the rights claim and is on topic, it should be allowed through. This may take up to two working days.
> 
>         Thanks,
>         Chris Box on behalf of the Moderators team for [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> 
>         [1] At the end of https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/PStIAGIP2gbTNUPrr3t2jUjnS6g/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/PStIAGIP2gbTNUPrr3t2jUjnS6g/>
>         [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sx4j7BMLiGe_jGqpD6Kc3nvTS30/>
>         [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/>
>