Re: [rtcweb] Requesting "SDP or not SDP" debate to be re-opened

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Wed, 19 June 2013 08:42 UTC

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Iñaki,

You are the one who requested the debate to be re-opened. Are you saying that I need to go through previous discussions to figure out what you want to debate - or to figure out what you THINK you want to debate? :)

Regards,

Christer

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From: Iñaki Baz Castillo [mailto:ibc@aliax.net] 
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Requesting "SDP or not SDP" debate to be re-opened

2013/6/19 Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>om>:
> We need to be very clear what we talk about, or some people are always 
> going to be confused :)
>
> So, AFAIK, the discussion is about SDP O/A usage in the API, only in 
> the API, and nowhere but the API.
>
> Whatever people us on the wire is outside the scope.


Hi Christer,

I do not dare to summarize what we request in a single response, and I don't want to say something that "I didn't want to say" ;)

IMHO this thread clearly describes what we request, i.e. in these exact mails:

- http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg07895.html
- http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg07896.html
- http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg07899.html


My "non-normative" summary:

I don't think that the discussion is just about "SDP O/A usage in the API". We don't want a replacement for SDP, nor a new representation of SDP, nor to deal with blob strings between the JS layer and the WebRTC layer. In short we want something like a JS wrapper of the native WebRTC API, to directly manage media/transport parameters and media streams without having to pass a monolithic and unmanageable SDP blob between the JS and the WebRTC layer. And once the JS makes all the API calls to get the required media parameters, the JS can send them to the remote peer in the way it prefers (which may be via a SDP created by the JS app, or via an AJAX request for sending codecs/media-types info followed by a WebSocket connection for sending ICE candidates one by one, or serialized in JSON via a previously open DataChannel session... or whatever mechanism available in the Web and browsers).

For sure, other participants in this thread can improve/fix my "summary".

Please. re-read the 3 links above, IMHO they should clearly describe what we are requesting for :)


Best regards.



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