Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Wed, 16 March 2016 08:28 UTC

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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 08:27:48 +0000
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[ Intentional top post ]
So, the original email (~65 messages ago!) raised the issue that ietf.org
wasn't accessible over Tor because of the CAPTCHA.

29 emails ago Alec Muffett posted:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/mzh5xox0WGE4_KDeyJC0RpxTceY

This said that CloudFlare treats Tor as a country, and you can twiddle the
knob to whitelist / decrease the threat level assigned to the Tor
"country".

I haven't seen anything discussing this - while the current round of beard
pulling provides me with much entertainment, perhaps we could *also*
discuss twiddling the knob or, more productively, see if the folk
responsible for keeping this running know about the knob? Presumably it
could be twiddled until / unless the *IETF* actually sees pain from Tor?

W

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:39 PM <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> The IETF is censoring gopher!
>  Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
> To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
> Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>ca>; IETF Disgust List <
> ietf@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 March 2016, 18:32
> Subject: Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users
>
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> On 3/16/16 8:06 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > it is not ours to say what others should and should not read, or to
> > which they should have easier access. to do so is called censorship.
>
> Nobody's prohibiting access to any of our public documents.  And as
> someone pointed out elsewhere, if one wants to copy every last bit of
> IETF documentation, they are able to do so and provide whatever access
> they wish.  To my knowledge nobody else has raised the concern that that
> the Tor people are raising, and so we are being asked to specifically
> support Tor.  Fine.  That means we then need to consider the
> benefit/harm of our actions regarding who precisely we are helping.  I
> asked that question honestly without an answer, but with concerns.
>
> Eliot
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>