Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users
Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Wed, 16 March 2016 08:28 UTC
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 08:27:48 +0000
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Subject: Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users
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[ Intentional top post ] So, the original email (~65 messages ago!) raised the issue that ietf.org wasn't accessible over Tor because of the CAPTCHA. 29 emails ago Alec Muffett posted: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/mzh5xox0WGE4_KDeyJC0RpxTceY This said that CloudFlare treats Tor as a country, and you can twiddle the knob to whitelist / decrease the threat level assigned to the Tor "country". I haven't seen anything discussing this - while the current round of beard pulling provides me with much entertainment, perhaps we could *also* discuss twiddling the knob or, more productively, see if the folk responsible for keeping this running know about the knob? Presumably it could be twiddled until / unless the *IETF* actually sees pain from Tor? W On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:39 PM <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > The IETF is censoring gopher! > Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> > To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> > Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; IETF Disgust List < > ietf@ietf.org> > Sent: Wednesday, 16 March 2016, 18:32 > Subject: Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users > > > > > On 3/16/16 8:06 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > it is not ours to say what others should and should not read, or to > > which they should have easier access. to do so is called censorship. > > Nobody's prohibiting access to any of our public documents. And as > someone pointed out elsewhere, if one wants to copy every last bit of > IETF documentation, they are able to do so and provide whatever access > they wish. To my knowledge nobody else has raised the concern that that > the Tor people are raising, and so we are being asked to specifically > support Tor. Fine. That means we then need to consider the > benefit/harm of our actions regarding who precisely we are helping. I > asked that question honestly without an answer, but with concerns. > > Eliot > >
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- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Andrew Sullivan
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Narelle
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Yoav Nir
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Paul Wouters
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Ted Lemon
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Kristoff
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Antonio Prado
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael Richardson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael Richardson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Tim Chown
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Levine
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Alec Muffett
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Theodore V Faber
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John Kristoff
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John R Levine
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users lloyd.wood
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users lloyd.wood
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Warren Kumari
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Dave Cridland
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Paul Wouters
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Jari Arkko
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- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
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- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
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- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
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- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Tony Hain
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michel Py
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users John C Klensin
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Adam Roach
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Stephen Farrell
- RE: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Tony Hain
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Michael StJohns
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Randy Bush
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Warren Kumari
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Leif Johansson
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stefan Winter
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stefan Winter
- RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle Varma, Eve (Nokia - US)
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stephen Farrell
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
- Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users Linus Nordberg
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Stefan Winter
- RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle Josh Howlett
- RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle Josh Howlett
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Melinda Shore
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle joel jaeggli
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Eliot Lear
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle lloyd.wood
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Leif Johansson
- RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle Josh Howlett
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- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle Jari Arkko
- Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA
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