Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 17 March 2016 10:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle
To: DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
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On 17/03/16 10:31, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA wrote:
>  whether the good-ole e2e principle is no longer applicable

I always think of it as the end to end argument, not principle,
and from that perspective, I think it remains entirely applicable.

S.