Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 15 March 2016 14:59 UTC

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>   cloudflare breaking what should be end to end encryption opens the
>   user to a mitm.  no, i am not saying cloudflare are bad folk.  but,
>   for example, 
>     o they could be served with a fisa order to see my traffic
>     o they could be served with a fisa order to serve subtly different
>       documents to queries from <name your favorite regime>
>     o and all the other problems of having monkeys in the middle

AMS could be served with exactly the same orders.  I don't understand
what point you're making here, unless you want to move the entire IETF
infrastructure to some country with different access laws.

R's,
John