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Re: ietf.org unaccessible for Tor users

Christian de Larrinaga <cdel@firsthand.net> Tue, 15 March 2016 11:59 UTC

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If it is necessary then that suggests a prioritised IETF workplan.
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> Stephen Farrell <mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
> 15 March 2016 at 11:39
>
> I believe there have been attacks in the past that had they
> been at larger scale could have taken the IETF site offline.
> CF are a mitigation for that. I think some such mitigation
> is sadly necessary. But I also think we want that to work
> better, to not track folks and to not get in the way of access,
> unless taking such actions is really necessary. (I don't think
> it is myself, at least not in the normal course of events, but
> then I don't see the operations stuff.)
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> Christian de Larrinaga <mailto:cdel@firsthand.net>
> 15 March 2016 at 11:34
> With respect that is not the reasoning.
>
> Cloudflare are intercepting access from some IPs and imposing a man in
> the middle dialogue before "granting" access to
> https://www.ietf.org/rfc.html
>
> e.g. This is the report I get below a captcha - CloudFlare Ray ID:
> 283f99aee908294a • Your IP: 93.115.95.206 • Performance & security by
> CloudFlare
>
> There may be other usability issues with the ietf site such as
> javascript use but that is a separate issue I think to having a traffic
> policeman standing permanently in the middle of the road.
>
> The question is does IETF need that policeman to do that filtering? Is
> it desirable? I don't get the sense that it is.
>
> Christian
> Christian de Larrinaga <mailto:cdel@firsthand.net>
> 15 March 2016 at 11:30
> With respect that is not the reasoning.
>
> Cloudflare are intercepting access from some IPs and imposing a man in
> the middle dialogue before "granting" access to
> https://www.ietf.org/rfc.html
>
> e.g. This is the report I get below a captcha -  CloudFlare Ray ID:
> 283f99aee908294a • Your IP: 93.115.95.206 • Performance & security by
> CloudFlare
>
> There may be other usability issues with the ietf site such as
> javascript use but that is a separate issue I think to having a
> traffic policeman standing permanently in the middle of the road.
>
> The question is does IETF need that policeman to do that filtering? Is
> it desirable? I don't get the sense that it is.
>
> Christian
> Eliot Lear <mailto:lear@cisco.com>
> 15 March 2016 at 10:25
>
> By the logic nobody should use a Tor browser. That way we have one
> Internet.
>
>
> Christian de Larrinaga <mailto:cdel@firsthand.net>
> 15 March 2016 at 10:18
> One Internet or something?
>
>

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