RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle

Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com> Tue, 22 March 2016 01:36 UTC

Return-Path: <denghui02@hotmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C0612D140 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.37
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.37 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4hKQ9fnpN4tQ for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from COL004-OMC1S12.hotmail.com (col004-omc1s12.hotmail.com [65.55.34.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2D9612D122 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:36:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from COL125-W30 ([65.55.34.9]) by COL004-OMC1S12.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:36:46 -0700
X-TMN: [BAbHi3NrAwI6dL+0RaPtolnIMDwBLg/C]
X-Originating-Email: [denghui02@hotmail.com]
Message-ID: <COL125-W30AD714AB7BF955D5D896BB1800@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9ddc6dfa-e6da-4487-afac-956dcac2969a_"
From: Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com>
To: DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
Subject: RE: ietf.org end-to-end principle
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:36:45 +0800
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <21624100-8D8F-4D67-8580-4AA699B13B3C@telefonica.com>
References: <56E90BF9.4090306@cisco.com>, <871189680.1322359.1458113811142.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <CAHw9_i+yFhJVYvcMLSEgkOkqJjZBsQicCQsi13SaoVQuzxqc8g@mail.gmail.com>, <5D6893D1-D61C-490C-91EF-CA5E5C1F484A@piuha.net>, <56EA63E3.2070602@restena.lu>, <VI1PR07MB15815DEAB1939141F0DCCCF3BC8B0@VI1PR07MB1581.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>, <56EA82FC.5050400@restena.lu>, <6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BEC8C8FA@US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com>, <50BC4E4E-822F-4E2F-8F0F-ABE48A5E49E8@telefonica.com>, <56EA8908.5050109@cs.tcd.ie>, <587F230F-45D7-4587-B4AA-502EDBE40A91@telefonica.com>, <56ED7895.8090306@bogus.com>, <21624100-8D8F-4D67-8580-4AA699B13B3C@telefonica.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2016 01:36:46.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BAF2120:01D183DB]
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/fjgRFa-xuMd3z2uFr8CaYmMvLn8>
Cc: Josh Howlett <josh.howlett@jisc.ac.uk>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 01:36:49 -0000

even it has multiple/distributed instance within the cloud, it still counted as one end.
DENG HuiFrom: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com
To: joelja@bogus.com
Subject: Re: ietf.org end-to-end principle
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 23:13:04 +0000
CC: Josh.Howlett@jisc.ac.uk; ietf@ietf.org










On 19 Mar 2016, at 17:04 , joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:

On 3/17/16 3:40 AM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA wrote:

Hmmm… Shall I rephrase it as how to apply the end to end argument in

the context of current mostly cloud-based interactions? 




You seem to have a implicit but unstated assumption that an application

or service exists in one and only one place.










Not at all. That’s precisely the point. Applications (at both ends) can exist in a distributed or simultaneous way, while many of the terms in which e2e is expressed imply these single instances.





--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

Telefonica I+D

http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/



e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com

Tel:    +34 913 129 041

Mobile: +34 682 051 091

----------------------------------








Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la
 lectura, utilización, divulgación y/o copia sin autorización puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislación vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda a su destrucción.



The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
 distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error and then delete it.



Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu destinatário, pode conter informação privilegiada ou confidencial e é para uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. Se não é vossa senhoria o destinatário indicado, fica notificado de que a
 leitura, utilização, divulgação e/ou cópia sem autorização pode estar proibida em virtude da legislação vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e proceda a sua destruição