Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Wed, 21 October 2020 15:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:30:56 -0700
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Behcet,

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:50 AM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone point to a specification on Starlink?
> 
> Without that, this thread seems pretty content free.
> 
> I had started this thread with a mail to Fred thinking that as a person from a major vendor in aviation industry, he Or someone in this list may have something technical.
> That includes yourself as the chair.

Thanks, actually I did some searches and couldn’t find anything.  Also couldn’t find an email to try to contact someone at Starlink.  If someone knows anyone there on the technical side, I would be happy to try to see what I could find out.

Bob


> 
> Behcet
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> > On Oct 20, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:24 PM Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> > Behcet,
> >
> >
> >
> > It is 12GHz
> >
> >
> >
> > Would that frequency spectrum be compatible for use on mobile vehicular platforms
> >
> > (e.g., cars, drones, helicopters, planes, etc.). Because it comes from Tesla, can we
> >
> > expect at least cars?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, Starlink certainly aims at connecting Tesla cars to their network, they are currently connected with 4G links
> >
> > Do you think that 12GHz causes issues on mobile vehicular platforms?
> >
> > Behcet
> > Thanks - Fred
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet Sarikaya
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 12:17 PM
> > To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
> > Cc: 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
> > Subject: Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:12 AM Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 19/10/2020 à 17:58, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit :
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:20 AM Templin (US), Fred L
> > > <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Seems like an “IPv6-over-foo” document might be in order; anyone care
> > > to____
> > >
> > > join me on that?____
> > >
> > > __
> > >
> > >
> > > IPv6-over-foo on Starlink section would look like
> > >
> > > TBD until more is revealed
> >
> > One in USA could look at the regulator's public database and find which
> > frequency channel is allocated for Tesla for Starlink.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It is 12GHz
> >
> >
> >
> > From that, one
> > could find which encoders are available on that frequency.  From that
> > one could find which protocols are on it.  It makes for a 'foo' in 'IPv6
> > over foo'.  The link layer.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know how to do these?
> >
> >
> >
> > Behcet
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Behcet
> > >
> > > __
> > >
> > > Fred____
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > *From:*Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com>] *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020
> > > 8:14 AM *To:* Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca
> > > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>>; 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org
> > > <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>> *Cc:* Templin (US), Fred L
> > > <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>
> > > *Subject:* Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"____
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > ____
> > >
> > > Thanks Michael, I'd like to know as much as possible how IPv6 works
> > > in Starlink.____
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > Behcet____
> > >
> > > __ __
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:47 PM Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca
> > > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>> wrote:____
> > >
> > > Anyone read anything more specific about what Starlink is doing that
> > > is "simpler than IPv6"?
> > >
> > > I'd sure like to know that it permits end-terminal to end-terminal
> > > communicatons without a trip through a data center.
> > >
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