Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Robin Wilton <wilton@isoc.org> Sun, 08 December 2013 20:13 UTC

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From: Robin Wilton <wilton@isoc.org>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:16:32 +0000
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Subject: Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01
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The point about the "nothing to hide" fallacy, as others better qualified than me have pointed out, is not that people might not care if their static images, CSS and JavaScript are loaded in clear, but the fact that in a "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" society, the individual does not get to choose what is "acceptable" and what leads to chilling effects, curtailment of liberties, or even punitive sanctions.

Daniel Solove has written persuasively about the pernicious harms of NTHNTF, but he is "just" a trailblazer. We should never lose sight of the fact that we are in the infancy of understanding the effects of Total Informational Awareness on social norms, social behaviour, and social outcomes. I think we should have the level-headedness to acknowledge that, when it has occurred in the past, in pre-digital societies, massive informational awareness has, more often than not, been abused, with harmful social consequences.

R

Robin Wilton

Technical Outreach Director - Identity and Privacy

On 6 Dec 2013, at 19:19, Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com> wrote:

> On 12/06/2013 10:58 AM, Nicholas Weaver wrote:
>> Include a checkbox in the browser saying "Fuck it all, show my data to the world" which broadcasts the session key in the clear.
> I know you intended this to be sarcastic, but opting out of the concealment society does not mean that the user doesn't have the sense to conceal things when it is actually necessary, vs. when it is in their honest opinion an off-the-scale response to the problem.
> 
> Punishing them by revealing their credit card numbers is not an appropriate response to their wanting to load static images, javascripts, and CSS in the clear.
> 
>     Thanks
> 
>     Bruce
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