Re: [perpass] perens-perpass-appropriate-response-01

Bruce Perens <> Wed, 04 December 2013 23:09 UTC

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On 12/04/2013 01:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
Could you please cite a single case where the illegal NSA spying programs have done that?
I don't know of any that you don't know of. I also don't believe they can ever tell us the full story, whether it's good or bad, because it would reveal operations and in some cases personnel.
I walked into Iraq in 2005 (as a journalist) and talked to people who had their entire family murdered by our war machine.
I never supported the Iraq war and it happened because so many were fooled by the Bush Administration. I strongly doubt that the Bush Administration did this because they had bad SIGINT.
We need to secure the DNS against tampering (DNSSEC)
Um. This has been in process for 14 years without success? And now you want _more_ encrypted protocols?
Currently, we lack both political and technical solutions to mass surveillance.
If there is any evidence that NSA is the slightest bit concerned about this, I've not seen it. I would guess that their technical capability is up to the task.

Political solutions have a chance of being effective.