Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft
Randell Jesup <randell-ietf@jesup.org> Mon, 30 April 2012 23:13 UTC
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On 4/30/2012 6:27 PM, Stephan Wenger wrote: > Hi Randell, > I don't buy this argument. > Speakers are a standard piece of equipment now; almost everyone with a PC > has them in some form. Without a webcam, webrtc would be pretty useless, > and every webcam nowadays has a microphone. And why do you believe every desktop computer has a webcam? All nowadays have connectors for mic and speakers, and almost all have speakers, but probably (guess) 50% of desktops out there don't have a microphone attached (probably more than 50%). Most *laptops* have builtin cameras and mics now, but a few years ago that wasn't the case. > I have no reason to distrust Tim's assessment, but the reason for the lack > of success of PC facilitated sales doers you cited, IMO, cannot be the > main reason, and certainly not among the expected users of webrtc (who > WILL have speakers, camera and mic set up, ready to go, and used to make > calls from their machine). One hopes so, yes, though webrtc does not require sending video. > And if your argument refers to the call center > site--well, those guys will get their equipment right and train their > employees, or go out of business. > Lets not dismiss a use case based on short term observations. Agreed. I was just giving an alternate explanation why "no one clicked Free Internet Call", and why that was NOT a reason to invalidate the usecase. -- Randell Jesup randell-ietf@jesup.org
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Timothy B. Terriberry
- [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Cavigioli, Chris
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal (mperumal)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integrity … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Harald Alvestrand