Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping.
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 02 May 2012 13:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping.
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On 05/01/2012 04:14 PM, Cavigioli, Chris wrote: > Wording needs to be clarified. > - "Eavesdropping" has a negative connotation of someone inappropriately listening in to another communication. This should not happen. > - "Lawful intercept" is something telecom service providers are required to provide to law enforcement with all appropriate safeguards in place http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception > -chris In fact the RAVEN RFC spent some time defining wiretapping: Wiretapping is what occurs when information passed across the Internet from one party to one or more other parties is delivered to a third party: 1. Without the sending party knowing about the third party 2. Without any of the recipient parties knowing about the delivery to the third party 3. When the normal expectation of the sender is that the transmitted information will only be seen by the recipient parties or parties obliged to keep the information in confidence 4. When the third party acts deliberately to target the transmission of the first party, either because he is of interest, or because the second party's reception is of interest. The term "party", as used here, can refer to one person, a group of persons, or equipment acting on behalf of persons; the term "party" is used for brevity. Of course, many wiretaps will be bidirectional, monitoring traffic sent by two or more parties to each other. Thus, for instance, monitoring public newsgroups is not wiretapping (condition 3 violated), random monitoring of a large population is not wiretapping (condition 4 violated), a recipient passing on private email is not wiretapping (condition 2 violated). The call center case isn't wiretapping by RAVEN's definition, since conditions 1 and 2 don't hold. Note also that chapter 4 of RAVEN is entitled "Why the IETF does not take a moral position". > > -----Original Message----- > From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hutton, Andrew > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:14 AM > To: Ted Hardie; rtcweb@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. > > Hi, > > A number of use cases within Draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requirements-07 contain the statement "It is essential that the communication cannot be eavesdropped" however there is no definition of what is actually meant by "eavesdropped" although I think we all have an idea of what it means. > > Maybe it would be better to replace these statements with something that refers to wiretapping and RFC 2804 (RAVEN) which actually has a definition of wiretapping. > > Regards > Andy > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Ted Hardie >> Sent: 27 April 2012 17:15 >> To: rtcweb@ietf.org >> Subject: [rtcweb] Use Case draft >> >> The chairs would like to ask the working group to focus on the use >> case draft. If you have use cases that need to be added to the >> document or text changes you'd like to suggest, please send them in >> for discussion before May 15th. After this round, we will look toward >> having a working group last call on the document (hopefully before the >> interim meeting). >> >> regards, >> >> Ted, Magnus, Cullen >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Timothy B. Terriberry
- [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft (privacy) Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Cavigioli, Chris
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - Eavesdropping. Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Igor Faynberg
- [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoints [… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal (mperumal)
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] interworking with non-WEBRTC endpoin… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Use Case draft - legacy interop Harald Alvestrand
- [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integrity … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Consent freshness and message-integr… Harald Alvestrand