Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org
Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Fri, 11 September 2020 17:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org
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I wanted to point out that when 6MAN did the update to the IPv6 spec that became RFC8200, each new draft incorporated one specific updating RFC. This made it easy to see what the changes were. Having each draft available was very helpful to see the changes and see what the diffs were from the previous draft. In this case, a new draft was not replacing the previous draft. This work was done in 2015-2017. I hope this is still possible. Bob > On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote: >>> Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote: >>>> Active IDs are added to the repository and the archive at the same time. >>> >>>> When a draft is expired, revised, or replaced, it is removed from the >>>> repository of active IDs. >>> >>> The surprise is perhaps that a non-expired, but replaced-draft is >> removed. > >> Can you expand? Why is that surprising? The replaced draft is no longer >> active. > > It's a behaviour change. > > Yes, but > 1) it hasn't expired.!! > 2) there is no redirect, just a 404. > 3) old documents stuck around on tools.ietf.org, so the links didn't go > stale,but the header would say that it was not the most recent draft. > > rfcdiff could never work if we removed replaced drafts. > In fact, we keep the expired ones around forever, which certainly helps us > with rfcdiff! > > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > > > > > >
- [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Russ Housley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Carsten Bormann
- [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. status … Bob Hinden
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Russ Housley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Russ Housley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expired draft on the w.g. sta… Brian E Carpenter
- [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draf… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Julian Reschke
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Nico Williams
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Nico Williams
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Julian Reschke
- Re: [Tools-discuss] disappearing IDs on www.ietf.… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … S Moonesamy
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Julian Reschke
- [Tools-discuss] it is worse than I thought: (was … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … worley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Joe Touch
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Joseph Touch
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Joe Touch
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Joseph Touch
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired … Paul Hoffman