IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org])

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sun, 13 September 2020 16:47 UTC

Return-Path: <cabo@tzi.org>
X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1683A0A9F for <tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:47:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JR32Z1TlNjLz for <tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:47:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 820F93A0A74 for <tools-discuss@ietf.org>; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:47:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BqFl66Q6WzyY5; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:46:58 +0200 (CEST)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\))
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
In-Reply-To: <604b7ef3-966c-13f7-6698-69395c13ffb5@nostrum.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:46:58 +0200
Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org
X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 621708418.420017-d21f9eae533e84b33b7e30cecbdda7e0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <A21AAB10-7251-4340-A290-AA6FEAAAD3D7@tzi.org>
References: <8657.1599751932@localhost> <84c8d593-c7b6-4327-338f-9b2b0e7a36e0@levkowetz.com> <0C6D4DE2-F9F3-4C7C-8427-264F34C8C2B7@tzi.org> <26d795d2-3761-2950-4346-62f849d86eed@nostrum.com> <7792.1599768579@localhost> <C73D6AB9-694E-458E-AEEE-45DBDEF623C5@vigilsec.com> <3B281EED-CDCE-4025-8C78-7BA689490936@tzi.org> <5B0C691F-EA59-44E9-959F-52445CA58314@gmail.com> <41EEFFCD-DEB9-4950-95B1-F43ACC73CAF1@vigilsec.com> <2F82E43A-39CF-4C99-BE9E-CD84D2BE21B3@gmail.com> <C44C644D-C24A-4839-BB61-F758AA2D7BF1@vigilsec.com> <BCB7C223-EFDE-46D3-A4E2-82068C688547@tzi.org> <16c77153-dd60-c241-1666-b3a9ab9d4e62@nostrum.com> <c2955e75-8b82-c783-492d-1a1d31127bf4@gmx.de> <2a1fce42-8fe3-6399-efca-d878441a8d04@nostrum.com> <7BED91D6-BB07-4EE5-8C29-4C072A0BFD94@tzi.org> <604b7ef3-966c-13f7-6698-69395c13ffb5@nostrum.com>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/DKjkgdgvyJWC9sUfW4DTMgGsf9E>
Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org])
X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion <tools-discuss.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tools-discuss/>
List-Post: <mailto:tools-discuss@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss>, <mailto:tools-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:47:02 -0000

On 2020-09-13, at 18:33, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
> 
> For clarity - why isn't that the datatracker page for the draft?

Well, contrast

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-7049bis/

with

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cbor-7049bis

The latter *is* the draft, with some status information (albeit somewhat cryptic for the uninitiated) prepended.
The datatracker page is a bit like a bugzilla page — tons of information, tons of affordance alternatives, little guidance (and two pages of the draft at the end even if drafts no longer really are meant to have pages).

Nobody who is confronted for the first time with the bugzillaish datatracker page will know what to click.  This is not a useful page to have in the references section of a paper, or to reference from a blog article.

Grüße, Carsten

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email