Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org])

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 23 September 2020 02:59 UTC

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To: "Dale R. Worley" <worley@ariadne.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org])
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On 23-Sep-20 14:36, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> writes:
>> This is a nice example of "process confabulation", designing software
>> for what SHOULD happen, not for what actually DOES (and NEEDS TO)
>> happen.
> 
> It also comes from confusing the position and role of a draft within the
> IETF standards process with the position and role of a version of a
> draft within the entire sphere of IETF-related technical activies.
> Within the standards process, a draft that hasn't been updated within
> six months may as well not exist, to do anything with it a new version
> must be submitted; within what I might call "reality", every version of
> every draft has value forever.

Why not write a short BCP to update RFC2026 to reflect that reality?
Then there might be a chance of the tools catching up.

What we have learned over a number of years is that drafts have archival
value and may be of interest years after they were written; and this can
apply to all versions, not just the most recent version. That's
inconsistent with the rules, so we should change the rules.

    Brian