Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org])

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sun, 13 September 2020 00:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiry Doctrine (Re: Expired draft on the w.g. status pages [was Re: disappearing IDs on www.ietf.org])
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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> On 2020-09-11, at 20:59, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I disagree.  If the I-D has expired, it should not be shown there.
    >>
    >> A little Saturday metacomment:
    >>
    >> This is a nice example of “process confabulation”, designing software for what SHOULD happen, not for what actually DOES (and NEEDS TO) happen.

    > And what SHOULD happen is defined in RFC2026, our most basic process document.
    > I don't think we can blame the official tools for following the official rules.
    > There are 14 RFCs that update RFC2026 already, so one more can't do much harm.

I think we should really amend section 2.2.
We write:

   An Internet-Draft that is published as an RFC, or that has remained
   unchanged in the Internet-Drafts directory for more than six months
   without being recommended by the IESG for publication as an RFC, is
   simply removed from the Internet-Drafts directory.

I think that we should change "removed" to "expired"

1) We are forced to keep them for IPR reasons.
2) rfcdiff can't work if the old copy isn't somewhere.

Is www.ietf.org/id the actual "internet-drafts" directory?
I note that RFC2026 does not explicitely say "FTP" :-)

BTW: Was there a point where people anon-FTP'ed into ftp.ietf.org, and just
uploaded drafts on their own?  When I started in 1995, one would email them
to the secretariat-type entity, and wait a day or so.

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