Re: [v6ops] Operational Consensus on deployment

Tax incentives for early depreciation and write off. For Australia and NZ,
where a lot of the deployment is self-bought this isn't going to work as
well as for other economies, but at world scale, this will enable ISPs who
own the CPE to do a deployment with some financial efficiency.

Regulators always have two tools: the carrot and the stick. We see a lot of
noise about the stick on these lists, we never see quite enough mention of
the carrot side of the equation.

-G

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:

>
> In message
> <6536E263028723489CCD5B6821D4B21303B7DB43@UK30S005EXS06.EEAD.EEINT.C
> O.UK>, "Heatley, Nick" writes:
> > If I may stick my neck out.
> >
> > Id like v6ops to consider at least two items:
> >
> > 1.       (Carrier Grade) NAT64 vs NAT44  a deathmatch.
>
>         Most of the problem with NAT64 vs NAT44 is getting CPE
>         devices upgraded.  464xlate worked for cellular networks
>         because the devices were replaced to support 4G services
>         and those new devices support 464xlate.  Additionally cell
>         phones are fragile devices that get stolen, lost, dropped,
>         stepped on, driven over, and is some market need to be
>         replaced to change carrier ... so there is a high turnover.
>
>         For wired connections there is no incentive for the customer
>         to replace the CPE device so NAT44 is a required part of
>         the solution space just to share the limited IPv4 address
>         space between the IPv4 only customers.  Cable and DSL modems
>         work for 10+ years.  Home routers work for similar lengths
>         of time.  You can still buy IPv4 only routers and they are
>         cheaper than anything with IPv6 in it.  If you are on a
>         limited budget a IPv4 only router with 802.11g "will do".
>
>         Add to that ISP's not offering / promoting IPv6 there is
>         no incentive for the customer to buy the IPv6 capable device
>         over the IPv4 only one.  The choice of device is made on
>         other factors.  If ISPs offered to do 2G of IPv6 data for
>         the price of 1G of IPv4 data one might actually get customers
>         to buy IPv6 capable routers.  A 12 month rebate for installing
>         a IPv6 capable CPE device could offset the costs of installing
>         more CGNAT boxes.  IPv6 capable 802.11n routers can be got
>         for AUD80 today.  Even on a AUD$20 plan the rebates would
>         cover the costs if the usual +50% taffic shift to IPv6
>         occurs.
>
>         Mark
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