Re: [v6ops] Operational Consensus on deployment

"Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com> Mon, 04 August 2014 23:20 UTC

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On Aug 4, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:

> Azure would still need the IPv4 addresses because the rest of the
> world as a whole has not moved to IPv6 yet.  While datacenters may
> be able to move to IPv6 only internally there is still a external
> need for IPv4 addresses.  IPv6 only gives some IPv4 address saving
> but not that much on the server side.  We are still a long way from
> turning off IPv4 servers.

That’s sort of the point of Tore’s document, with the exception that you can indeed move IPv4 addresses to *only* the edge using his mechanism.

That said, if you have an IPv6-capable data center and are selling it as a service to customers, that gives you a vehicle to discuss IPv6 with the customers. “I have a scarce resource that I can charge you for, and a plentiful resource I can charge you for. Which would you like to be charged for?"