Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US)
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Mon, 06 August 2012 17:24 UTC
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On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:24:31PM -0400, Don Blumenthal wrote: > You need to choose your security lines better. I haven't filled a US > Customs form out since I started using Global Entry. No, he doesn't. He needs to avoid US transit in Canadian airports. Canadian security people don't know the difference between GE and NEXUS and don't care. They check that you have the paperwork all signed when you enter the US Immigration area (what I call "Americaland" when I tell my wife I am hanging up) in any Canadian airport with pre-screening. They won't let you into Americaland without your blue paper. To haul this onto something vaguely IETF-related, it is an excellent example of why having more than one protocol solving the same or closely related problems is a bad idea. The real issue here is that both NEXUS and GE allow you to be handled specially, but the NEXUS and GE systems have different modes of operation. Also, some NEXUS people are not GE people and conversely. Low-level paperwork-checking door-guarding bureaucrats cannot be expected to keep track of all these differences and filter correctly, so they've adopted a different filter: blue paper card. Teaching them "blue paper card or else this special plastic card" is likely possible. "Blue paper card or special plastic card if it says GE BUT NOT if it doesn't OR if it's this other card" probably isn't a possible configuration. The protocols are different because GE was a thing for US-bound immigration only and NEXUS was a transborder initiative. This is like a case of two vendors solving the same problem differently and the resulting protocol having the union of all their options. (Therefore, we should shut down BEHAVE, QED. ;-) Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Bob Hinden
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Scott Brim
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Mary Barnes
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Stephen Botzko
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Jon Hudson
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Scott Brim
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ralph Droms
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Tim Chown
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Jon Hudson
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Dan McGinn
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Steven Bellovin
- [84attendees] Amtrak ... david.black
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ted Lemon
- Re: [84attendees] Amtrak ... Steven Bellovin
- Re: [84attendees] Amtrak ... Randy Bush
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Stephen Kent
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ralf Weber
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Phil Hunt
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Thomas Herbst
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Jon Hudson
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ralph Droms
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Bob Hinden
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Tim Chown
- Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter … John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Don Blumenthal
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randell Jesup
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter … Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter … John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter … Ben Campbell
- Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter … John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] not really YVR Checkin Counter … Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John C Klensin
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs david.black
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… JOHNSON, ALASTAIR (ALASTAIR)
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs Wes Hardaker
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs Scott Brim
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Don Blumenthal
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs Steven Bellovin
- Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs Ben Campbell
- Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs Steven Bellovin
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Bob Hinden
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ralph Droms
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John C Klensin
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Warren Kumari
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Lou Berger
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Pat Thaler
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Thomas Herbst
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randy Bush
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Don Blumenthal
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John C Klensin
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Don Blumenthal
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Steven Bellovin
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Lou Berger
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ben Campbell
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checking Counter Opening Ho… Fred Clark
- Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Lou Berger
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ralph Droms
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… John C Klensin
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hou… Ben Campbell
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… John R Levine
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… John R Levine
- [84attendees] Wednesday SDNRG presentation docume… wdwang
- Re: [84attendees] Wednesday SDNRG presentation do… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Bede McCall
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Warren Kumari
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Eric Burger
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Drew Dvorshak
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Randall Gellens
- Re: [84attendees] passport cards and such, was YV… Eric Burger