Re: [84attendees] US immigration vs. customs

The same can happen at in the EU with checked baggage.  Carry-on
luggage enters with you; checked baggage enters at the airport of
your final destination, since that's when it's accessible to you.
(I've had some bizarre corner cases involving that and too-helpful
airline personnel.  On one trip to Heraklion (Crete), via (for
complicated reasons involving airline fares), my flight over was
via two different record locators.  I was helpfully ticketed through
(and boarding passes issued) for all three legs, and the bags checked
straight through, even though HER is not an international airport and
hence doesn't have customs.  In other words, my checked luggage, as best
I can tell, was never (nominally) screened.

Going back, via YUL, was strange in a bad way.  Our bags were checked
straight through to the US, but we were not given boarding passes for
YUL->EWR.  This created an impossible situation at YUL; either we should
have picked up our bags, cleared Canadian immigration and customs, and
then entered the normal queue to the US, or -- if we had a boarding pass
-- we could have done it as a transit connection.  (That situation works
if you're flying Air Canada.  We were on the leg to YUL, but not on the
leg from there.) We also received lots of bad advice on where our bags
actually were.  Fortunately, there was another flight home with plenty of
sears that day...  (What did work very well, remarkably enough, was the
high-tech setup at US Customs.  Apart from lots of *helpful* folks with
handheld scanners, they were able to call up video feeds of our bags on
the internal conveyor so we could confirm ownership.  Then, when someone
had forgotten to press something-or-other and we were sent back, the Customs
agent realized it was her mistake and told us to jump the line so she could
fix everything.  Imagine -- technology working properly *and* Customs and
Immigration people being helpful, polite, and friendly!)

On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:21 AM, <david.black@emc.com> <david.black@emc.com> wrote:

> It's even possible to be in both places at once wrt different
> parts of the US government.  On the train to Seattle, US
> immigration was in Vancouver, but customs was at the border in
> Blaine, WA.
> 
> A similar thing happens when a ship that's called
> at foreign ports calls at a US port before its US destination;
> immigration is at the first port (e.g., Key West), but customs
> is at the destination (e.g., Miami).
> 
> Thanks,
> --David
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 84attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:84attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Wes Hardaker
>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:16 PM
>> To: Andrew Sullivan
>> Cc: 84attendees@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [84attendees] YVR Checkin Counter Opening Hours (for US)
>> 
>> Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> writes:
>> 
>>> the US Immigration area (what I call "Americaland" when I tell my wife
>>> I am hanging up) in any Canadian airport with pre-screening.
>> 
>> They even have a nice sign that says "welcome to the United States" but
>> for some reason, still make you pay in Canadian currency and your
>> cell-phone provider still labels you as roaming.  Note, that if you step
>> onto a ship docked onto a US harbor they like to label you immediately
>> as international roaming, from what I understand.  They want it both
>> ways apparently.
>> --
>> Wes Hardaker
>> SPARTA, Inc.
>> _______________________________________________
>> 84attendees mailing list
>> 84attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 84attendees mailing list
> 84attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/84attendees
> 

		--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb